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15 years ago @ Life in Student Ministry - Should vision be top-d... · 0 replies · +2 points

I'm gonna sell out and still say both. I think personally a prefer the top down method partly because I can look at the entire need of the church (or in my case the youth ministry) I can see where the needs are and I'm constantly seeking where God is taking me. I've seen a lot of grassroots movements start because there is a perceived need and the people want to address it. That may be good and all but how does that affect what God is doing here as a whole.

I mean it's great that you high school boys want to have a lock-in but how does that live in to our mission here in our area? Are lock ins bad? no (debatable..i mean really no sleep + caffeine + middle schoolers?)

I think in the end I agree with most of the youth ministry books I've read that have stated to start the vision that you think God is leading you to and then work with church members to prayerfully refine it. You have ownership, they have ownership and the vision is more likely to gain momentum.

15 years ago @ Life in Student Ministry - I was fired last Monda... · 0 replies · +1 points

Whenever I hear about someone going through this I wonder the same thing. Maybe it's because we spilled kool-aid on the Jones Memorial Carpet. Maybe it's because we don't typically like to dress up. Maybe it's because we dare to take risks on the population of the church that no one else will. Or perhaps they are just jealous because we get to do things like flamingo the pastor's yard and get paid for it.

someone should really look into why youth pastor's see this the most. (although senior pastor's do too I'm guessing) Maybe that could be your "door"..ok maybe not. Take care.

15 years ago @ Life in Student Ministry - I am not a big fan of ... · 0 replies · +1 points

One of the things that I liked best when interviewing at my current church is their approach to missions. Almost all of the trips are intergenerational and they are all done with partners (meaning we go back to the same communities multiple times a year)

I say most are intergenerational because the youth seem to dominate the summer trips bc they are the only ones that they can go on because of school. That makes it more lopsided but there are still a good number of adults that go...

15 years ago @ Stuff Christians Like ... - Putting the wrong Bibl... · 0 replies · +2 points

That's like 1 Kings 12:10b "This is what you should tell them: 'My little finger is thicker than my father's loins!" (HCSB) Every other translation says 'waist' but this version gets a lot of laughs

15 years ago @ Stuff Christians Like ... - Putting the wrong Bibl... · 1 reply · +5 points

The store Forever 21 used to put Bible verses on the bottoms of their bags. (they might still) I've had students use this to justify buying less than modest apparel. Usually I just respond by giving them a pack of TestaMINTS and telling them to memorize the entire pack before shopping again.

15 years ago @ Stuff Christians Like ... - Leaving church before ... · 0 replies · +1 points

we once had a service go over two hours because there were some...long winded... people there. They kept talking and talking. At the final hymn when everyone stood up, roughly 50 people just walked out. It was horribly embarrassing.

This past Sunday the kid next to me paraded up and down the pew with a Bible on his head. I didn't look at him, but I could feel 400 eyes staring at my row. It was pretty awkward/

15 years ago @ Stuff Christians Like ... - Listening to devil music. · 0 replies · +2 points

I like Flatfoot 56. My students like to turn on their version of Amazing Grace when adults are around to see the reaction.

15 years ago @ Stuff Christians Like ... - Listening to devil music. · 2 replies · +1 points

I had this same discussion with my wife. I walked her through some of the songs and she actually likes them now...well she likes them enough to tolerate when I play it!

15 years ago @ Stuff Christians Like ... - Listening to devil music. · 4 replies · +1 points

remember, polka is from the devil too! I love some Weird Al.

15 years ago @ Stuff Christians Like ... - Listening to devil music. · 0 replies · +1 points

My youth pastor once had an elder in the church approach him to remind him sternly that the "devil was in the beat". The odd thing was that we were about to go to a concert with Michael W. Smith and DC Talk.

I really enjoy hardcore music. Project 86 is a great band with amazing lyrics. (which you will likely have to look up online). If any of you like that sort of thing, check them out on Youtube or something.

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