Susan Day
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13 years ago @ Urban Natural Resource... - April 2010 - Urban Tre... · 0 replies · +1 points
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A: Yes, we tested the Carolina Stalite structural soil. This one has the advantage of not needing a hydrogel to prevent segregation and the disadvantage of higher cost if you are not reasonably near the company. Also, some are concerned with embedded energy--although I have not seen any real analysis of the energy costs associated with any of these. They all work roughly the same way. The key to success is to have the correct mix and correct compaction so that it works as a moisture-holding matrix. We find all the mixes are droughtier than our native soils (which are clay loams, loams, and silt loams). There is a new paper out (in Arboriculture and Urban Forestry) that calculates moisture to be like a loamy sand, which fits fairly well with our experience. As far as organic matter, I haven't heard that as being an issue or a concern. In any sealed system (under pavement) whatever OM is in there to start will likely decompose (unless it is within stable soil aggregates), so input over time is important. The most significant input source would likely be root turnover--i.e. roots are born, grow, and die. Fine roots often liver for very short periods of time and this can provide significant OM input. So if roots grow in it, there will be organic matter input.
13 years ago @ Urban Natural Resource... - April 2010 - Urban Tre... · 2 replies · +1 points
Hi Jack! It's good to hear from you. Still plugging away at answering these questions, but not sure there are any readers, so may quit soon. I don't have any experience with Silva Cells, but my understanding is that they are essentially modular vaulted sidewalks. I don't know how they compare cost-wise, but presumably they have been evaluated to be load bearing. I would think they would function like a vaulted sidewalk. In terms of stormwater, if you had a one-to-one reservoir to mitigated surface, as was tested in our work, I would think you would have some similarities and some of the evaluations of tree survival might be similar. The main differences would be the amount of storage--that would depend on the storage capacity of the soil used in the cells. You might also have a perched water table and so a wetter zone near the bottom--this would depend on the soil again. In addition, you would not have rapid lateral movement, so the methods you would use to direct water below the pavement would have to be altered.
13 years ago @ Urban Natural Resource... - April 2010 - Urban Tre... · 0 replies · +1 points
A. Yes, the reservoir conservatively holds 30% (typically closer to 35%) by volume of water. Therefore the recommended 24" bed of structural soil would handle a 4.5 to 5" rain -so whatever storm that is for you. This allows an overflow drain to be placed at 14" up from the subgrade. Note that the system is NOT designed to handle a lot of off-site water, just to be zero runoff.
13 years ago @ Urban Natural Resource... - April 2010 - Urban Tre... · 0 replies · +1 points
SD replies: I am assuming this question is in regard to porous pavement? I am not an expert in porous pavement. However, porous pavement is rigid just like other pavement and I had never really considered a root growing through it. Nonetheless, it probably is not a consideration unless the pavement is buried. Roots follow the path of least resistance and proliferate where there is water and air and nutrients. In a conventional pavement section, this area is often the base course under the pavement. With structural soils, or uncompacted base soils (as are allowed for some uses in some countries), this path of least resistance can move lower in the profile (away from pavement). I hope that is the question you were asking.
13 years ago @ Urban Natural Resource... - April 2010 - Urban Tre... · 0 replies · +1 points
SD replies: Yes, the size and angularity of the rock are quite important, as is the distribution of sizes. Here in Virginia we used #357 (I think, if I am remembering correctly). What is critical is that the stone be large enough (at least 3/4 of an inch and up to about 2") and that there not be a lot of smaller stones mixed in. An angular stone will make better gaps. I have seem some installations of supposed "structural soil" that were more akin to crusher run than structural soil. When constructed according to specifications, the percolation rate and other measurements are made. Water should enter structural soil extremely rapidly. The best way to ensure quality control is to employ someone licensed by Amereq to install CUSoil, or work directly with the manufacturer of something like Stalite on establishing specs and working with the contractor. There are some contractors who say they are licensed to install CUSoil where we are, but after calling Amereq, I learned that they were not licensed. So make sure specs are met. It's not that difficult to meet the specs, but just mixing gravel and soil does not make a structural soil.
13 years ago @ Urban Natural Resource... - April 2010 - Urban Tre... · 0 replies · +1 points
SD replies: I don't know that the tree roots damage the geotextile too much. Tree roots will penetrate it, but it still creates a barrier of sorts. Our main interest was to see if tree roots would penetrate it enough to puncture the compacted zone and allow greater infiltration. There have been a number of studies about the longevity of porous asphalt that others have done. I think the book by Ferguson might describe some of them, but there are many case studies as well. There has been a lot of interest in this at Villanova university (Robert Travers I think?).
13 years ago @ Urban Natural Resource... - April 2010 - Urban Tre... · 0 replies · +1 points
SD replies: see answer to Phil Rodbell above. Most structural soil installations do not use geotextile. However, if the subgrade may become saturated it is an added precaution to insure stability.
13 years ago @ Urban Natural Resource... - April 2010 - Urban Tre... · 0 replies · +1 points
SD answers: Yes, they grow through it, but it will restrict large roots unless it is torn/damaged. But some tearing is normal--and in the case of trees, I suppose desirable. In this case it is a "separation geotextile" so that is its only function. If it were not being used as a stormwater reservoir, then the geotextile would be unnecessary as the stones would not likely imbed in the subgrade. However, it is a precautionary measure.
13 years ago @ Urban Natural Resource... - April 2010 - Urban Tre... · 0 replies · +1 points
follow up... It is a polyacrylamide. As mentioned above, it doesn't stabilize the mix and doesn't bind organics.