In the podcast you talk about a joke where the audience has to pair John Wayne with an unconventional fart sound, and how the mental work you have to do is what makes it so great, which I tend to agree with. But in the previous podcast, you and Brad talk repeatedly about the Murphy Brown kind of joke that *also* asks the audience to conjure some celebrity and imagine him in an unexpected situation, and how it seems lazy, which I also tend to agree with. But what's the distinction between the two? Structurally they seem identical (Imagine Celebrity A in Unexpected Scenario B).

"What if none of this mattered?" is a beautiful question.