Yet . .. you made no point other than this:

"This because Aminthemystic on the other thread claimed to be more in favor of Western Values than me and Ali Sina. But we are clear about which societal system we want to win over the winner, will Amin be clear about this? Pro democratic system, pro shariah system, like so many violent Muslims, or neutral? "

See . . the whole point was to have a go at me personally . . .

Here is WHY I am far more supporter of Democracy and Western Values than you . . . and far better.

It is the pursuit of truth. . .

1. Bush and Blair both said their attacks were motivated by God.

2. There were rampant lies about Iraq and its WMD . . .which led to the innocent death of Dr. Kelly.

3. And we already know that there were wide spread abuses . . . and those abuses are EVERYTHING against Western Values.

So . . .if a Western war is wrong . . .kills millions . . .of innocent . . .then you have problem with that?

And that to him is democratic values . . . hiding the abuses of his side!!!

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"will Amin be clear about this? Pro democratic system, pro shariah system, like so many violent Muslims, or neutral? "

You do not even have the decency to ask me outright . . . I simply want Muslims to adopt good democratic values . . . give up terrorist style attacks. . . and live in peace with other nations.

"is that the readers will reject this conclusion BECAUSE I AM GOOD AT MUD-SLINGING (according to YOU, without examples). But hey, you DID say all those things discussed about the NATO-Taliban-conflict, and at times I did not answer, let alone twist somehow those thoughts of you on that conflict. So it is not logical that readers will dismiss the thought of you favoring Shariah over Democracy just because of my comments. "

Evidence? Evidence?

Or hence you are lying . . .

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Most readers here will support you for being anti-Islam . . . you can lie to the nth degree . . . no one here cares . . . as long as it is against Islam.

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I can show you Sina's mistakes . . . it will not make one iota of difference?

Why - because he is lying against Islam.

Saying that West lost to beat Afghanistan . . . is a FACT. It has not beaten Afghanistan. And it is now "negotiating" with them . . . why?

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It was wrong of West to go to war with Iraq and it has led to a mess. . . . most [if not many] people in UK were against it . . . so are they all undemocratic on that basis?

Whole basis of DEMOCRACY is that you have the right to disagree . . .

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"Since clearly the Taliban IS anti-Democratic. And you, as known Muslim, disparaging the democratic side more than you do the totalitarian side, THAT could lead to readers thinking that you actually ARE on the side of the Totalitarians. "

Evidence? Evidence?

See how BOGUS your BS is . . . when asked for evidence . . . you have none . . .

I asked you to bring evidence . . . You have not.

Either go back and do that . . .else you are once more LYING!

You do not have a clue what Freedom of Speech is all about . . . not a single clue.

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I have exposed your "Science" claims . . .

and now your democracy goes the same way.

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I suggest to you . . .go an read a few good books! To find out more.

I have ABSOLUTELY no respect for you whatsoever.

"It was democratic but I acknowledge that from a PR-standpoint it probably was counterproductive and it was not against Freedom of Speech that Ali Sina warned her, then banned her from HIS website. "

It is NOT just PR point of view . . . but logic and decency and being reasonable!

Logical, Decent and Reasonable people do not fall to this level!

And they challenge such BS.

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Or are you saying if I exercise my FREEDOM OF SPEECH to counter abuse against myself . . .then I am wrong! And also I am undermining the whole freedom of speech itself!

"It is you who undermine this value when you constant decry Julia's style as somehow being undemocratic. "

THAT STYLE is . . .wrong and incorrect.

It is simply illogical . . . .

No sane or reasonable person engages in such style.

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See is 100% clear that you do not know WHAT freedom of speech is . . . one has the right to be crazy . . .

BUT PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE SUCH NONSENSE. . . .

this is WHY you are hate monger . . .

When it come to Julia and her abuse . . . YOU approve the abuse. . .

No one said here RIGHT was in question . . . .

So when I challenge this abuse . . . then you turn on me!

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Hence TO you abusing people is fine and moral.

Ha!

"Thanks for acknowledging my assessment of Michael Adobelajo's identification. "

Do not know what you are talking about. . . I have not acknowledged anything.

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"And the comparison with me would indeed be that I identified bith Julia, but because she was clearly pro-democratic"

Nope. Just because she did not say anything undemocratic does not make her democratic. And also she was a he.

So "abuse" to you is democracy . . . to me it is not.

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" Julia just took freedom of speech to it's limit."

Which does not make the vile abuse right . . .does it? Having to the freedom to say vile thing does not mean such vulgarity is approved.

Neither it is ANY justification for you 100% backing of such person.

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" She also always pointed out that SHE felt that she as infidel was insulted by what the Quran and Hadiths-Sira said and decreed about infidels."

More rampant stupidity from you . . . do you see non-Jews going about being insulted by what it says in the bible and then engaging in antisemitism?

How does this justify vile abuse?

Would you support her killing people on similar basis?

Breivik? For example?

This is how Muslim Terrorists justify themself!

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"And you seem to think that only talking and writing in some kind of correct way and ONLY that way is some kind of Democratic, value, while it distinctly is NOT. It may be a BRITISH value but that's not a key Democratic value at all, in my opinion. Freedom of speech, especially offensive speech, THAT is A, maybe THE key Democratic value. "

Once more . . . once again - you simply bypass what is put to you . . . if you do not have such basic understanding of WHAT freedom of speeci and what it isn't .. .

Then you are clearly lying .. . you have not clue WHAT or WHAT ISN'T freedom of speech . .

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

So why don't you look it up . . .

Julia had right to say her abuse . . . but YOU approved it!

Key difference. . . you did not simply approve her right of speech . . .but APPROVED the vile abuse. . .

these are 2 distinct things.

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You are clearly lying when you say that you uphold Democratic values. . .

I suggest go and read up . . . what your values are MEANT to be . . .

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You only motivation to be here. . . is hatred of Islam and of Muslims.

"Evidence from your own texts to show that Muhammad was a mass murderer and a brigand. Has that been refuted? No. "

Has that been presented? No.

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"Where and when did you do that? "

What are you talking about?

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"It is evident who is brainwashed when you are required and actually accept whatever is vomited without the right to question. "

Precisely . . . hence when I show you "mistakes" of Sina. . . . do I get a comment? Nope.

When I ask for proofs of your claim . . . do I get an answer . . Nope.

hence you are brainwashed.

Thank you for agreeing.

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"That is precisely what you continue to do in spite of all the atrocities committed by Muhammad and his successors all you have done is to engage in denials. "

Where?

Asking you to "prove" your claims is not denial . . . else . . .even in this . . . you have to prove your claim.

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Repeated miserable failure. . . . if it Islam is all that evil and you can prove it so easily then . . .it have been several days. . .why have you FAILED so miserably. . .

You simply claim that it has been established. . .

By whom?

Sina?

If HE is your answer . . .then I have news for you . . .Sina has not established anything . . . other than how mistaken-ridden and incorrect he is.

"The burden of proof shifts when the facts have been established. In this case the facts have been proved that muhammadanism is evil from the daily activities of its members."

No they have not . .Else why are you having such difficulty?

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"Hardly any day passes without dozens of people being killed in different parts of the world by those brandishing the teachings of Muhammad."

Yet even more are killed in the name of Western Democracy? Far more.

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" It is for you to prove otherwise. That burden has not been discharged. "

No merely attempted side pass - which is completely bogus.

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It is like someone who says "Earth is a Prism" then when asked to prove it simply says as it is a fact that Earth is a prism . . . it is for you to disprove it.

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I do not let such stupidity pass.