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20 hours ago @ Atheist Revolution - The Mindset That Fuels... · 0 replies · +1 points

Yes, I think that is probably what he was saying. At least, it strikes me as a fair interpretation. And yes, publicly challenging people for expressing views I do not like is what I would describe as a call out.

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20 hours ago @ Atheist Revolution - Hope and False Hope · 0 replies · +1 points

Do I think that Christians do not perceive themselves as interested in the truth or that they don't actually think Christianity is true? I think this depends on the Christian. Some Christians almost certainly perceive themselves as interested in the truth, but I have had plenty of Christians over the years tell me that truth in the sense of congruence with reality is far less important to them than the hope they derive from faith. Some of the more honest Christians have said things like, "I believe because it makes me feel good, and that is more important than whether it is true or not." So yes, I think there are Christians out there who aren't terribly concerned with whether their beliefs are true.

1 day ago @ Atheist Revolution - New Atheists and Athei... · 0 replies · +2 points

I'm really not sure. Some of the people I've seen doing this aren't connected to the usual group, at least, not that I know of. Then again, I haven't been doing a very good job of keeping up with the usual group, so I really don't know.

1 day ago @ Atheist Revolution - The Mindset That Fuels... · 2 replies · +1 points

I see call outs primarily as something one does publicly and to people (rather than to ideas), but I think it is safe to say that I am still trying to figure out exactly where the distinction between call outs and criticism lies (see http://www.atheistrev.com/2016/04/criticism-vs-ca.... I read Prof. Rees as suggesting that we have a moral obligation to call others out when they say things we find offensive. I disagree with this, and I do not think that call outs are generally an effective way to change minds.

Should we remain silent when someone says something offensive? That's one of those things everyone will have to decide on his or her own in each situation. When I do respond in these situations, I try to focus on the content of what the person said, explain how it affected me, and provide alternative ideas; I try to steer clear of attempting to punish the person. Thus, I am doing something different than calling him or her out.

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2 days ago @ Atheist Revolution - The Mindset That Fuels... · 4 replies · +2 points

You raise several good points here. For example, I think you are right to say, "Silence in the presence of bad ideas achieves nothing and gives the bad idea undeserved space in which to perpetuate." I guess I see challenging bad ideas as being fairly different from attempting to harm people (e.g., public shaming, shunning) for expressing bad ideas.

The example of homophobia is a good one. I agree that this is a bad idea that deserves to be challenged. I'm just not sure that call outs are the best way to do so unless one's goal is to silence the expression of homophobia without necessarily changing minds.

3 days ago @ Atheist Revolution - The Mindset That Fuels... · 6 replies · +1 points

Thanks for your comment. I guess I am still not sure I understand what most people who call others out like you describe are trying to accomplish when they do so. When you think about a typical situation in which you do call out a "transgression," what is the goal?

5 days ago @ Atheist Revolution - Obama\'s Refusal to Ad... · 0 replies · +2 points

Agreed, and when it comes to labels such as "Christian terrorist" or even "Christian extremist," Obama has a lot of company. For the most part, our mainstream news media has not been willing to go down that road either.

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6 days ago @ Atheist Revolution - Some Criticism of My O... · 0 replies · +3 points

More insults. Great. If you have anything of value to contribute, that would be great. If not, it might be time to move along.

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6 days ago @ Atheist Revolution - Obama\'s Refusal to Ad... · 0 replies · +2 points

Good point. I think you are right to suggest the goal of distancing oneself from what is happening on the other side. I was thinking about this more as part of #3, but you make a good case that it should be separated out.

6 days ago @ Atheist Revolution - Obama\'s Refusal to Ad... · 0 replies · +2 points

Yes, I think that diplomacy in the sense in which you describe it does deserve to be another possibility. That was an important oversight on my part.