That's awesome Kenneth, thanks. I'll call that one your "Outer Limits Teaching" ...We control the horizontal. We control the vertical. ;)

Hehe, I'm dating myself here. ;)

I can't argue with that, Kenneth's teachings are as clear as a bell.

Zero theology, Zero obfuscate, Mucho apreciato.

"JG: That phrase, “If I can objectify it or see it, it is not I,” that is very helpful. KF: For me, that is the very essence of it, and I want to give yet another nod to Ken Wilber for that particular concept because I don’t see it anywhere else. I don’t see that in Buddhism. I don’t think they got that."

Not to be contrary, but I was thinking Anatta-lakkhana Sutta (SN22.59) is addressing that concept pretty clearly when, in the sutta's fanale, the Buddha deconstructs each skandha by saying:

"So, bhikkhus any material form whatsoever that is past, future, or present; internal or external; gross or subtle; inferior or superior; far or near: every material form is to be seen as it really is with wisdom, and regarded thus: 'This is not mine, this is not I, this is not myself.'

"I tell people when they are dwelling as the Witness, you have to let that down when you are dealing with people."

Can you elaborate a bit on this?

For me, being around others when I'm dwelling as the Witness seems to be similar to having a very particular sense of humor. The odd person will totally get it, the majority would think "this guys is weird", some would get annoyed, and others would get very uncomfortable. In my experience it seems to depend on the person I'm interacting with.

I guess I am asking because, I'm in a bit of a bind if your advice is valid; I dwell so often (and in most situations) so people who are close to me know it and seem to accept it for the most part. I know that it's important to be relateable in dealing with people, but for now dwelling as the Witness is the closest thing I know to being what I really am; I don't want to have to pretend to be something I know I am not.

What do you think?