@Nishant & Hardy: Nice discussion guys! I am sorry, been busy awhile with grad school. Not able to comment, instead I've made a new post in reply to this discussion . Have a great day :D

cool :) I too have muslim friends and they're really cool and I am not talking about them. coming to think, I'm not talking about saddists as well who want to gorge purposely in front of another guy who is fasting. I don't want to ban cars in the country because some one might have an accident. The whole point of fasting is to resist your urge to eat, despite temptations.

And I'm talking about arabs in dubai whom I've witnessed firsthand, who sleep for most part of the day and it's not uncommon to find most people party at night during ramadan which is not 75% of the population. In UAE, the residents are 20% of the whole populations and 80% expatriates who are not necessarily muslims.

People work in 50 deg celsius and everyday people are admitted to hospital cos of dehydration. You are totally missing my point. I am not talking about general muslim population but the rule which discriminates others basic human rights

yep, that's my point. Not all people are interested in philosophy. The point of my post is to provide a condensed version of philosphy to people who are interested but don't like to read long books.

If you call this brainwashing, then everything you've learnt since childhood is brainwashing:) But that's not the case, you gotta give a viewpoint of everything and it's your choice to decide what's right

great news :D I'm actually a bit surprised since there was a news last year, that more than half of the britons do not believe in evolution....anyways, way to go!

LOL yeah...but when it comes to religion...i'ts called heresy no matter where :P...watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8YTre3xqXg

you bet :D I completely agree on satire and debate, though it's not easy to reason with a religious person. The most annoying thing is the youtube comments that are abusive and it gets us nowhere.

you are a 100% right :D I completed my high school in dubai and during ramadan night changes into day and vice versa. The arabs mostly sleep all day, and party all night.

LOL :) I'm always interested in history, 'll check out the movie

Awesome debate, I totally respect Mr. Craig and he is honest with his beliefs. Well I assume you've seen the debate and Hitchens views as well. Craig repeatedly ask Hitchens to show proof for atheism and does not really understands what it stands for. And this is my blog's quote of the day:

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. "
- Christopher Hitchens
I will give a summary of the debate;
The arguments that stood out for god clause; the usual infinity, morality, intelligent design, purpose of life and your previous ought argument as well can be extrapolated. And for christianity; resurrection, claims of historical evidence, miracles, bible and its thelogical beliefs being able to answer our questions in life.

The infinity question is a valid argument. As engineering majors, we do have derived definite solutions for infinite series. Since science does not have a solution now, it can be cited for an existence of god.

we've discussed the other arguments, and about how morality is consistent with the survival of species. Mr.Craig claims that it is something innate within us and goes on to say that the possibility of evolution is a miracle. Well, the scientists definitely don't think so and though there are some doubts on various specifics of evolution, it is stated as a fact.

About the theological part, the debate itself ended in favour of faith. If you can have faith as to live this life crippled, in poverty, with diseases, war, ethnic fights, child mortality and still say that god wants this to happen; I totally will respect your faith. Since I am not able to comprehend things this way, I seek the answer by disbelief.

And the other historical evidence and resurrection attributed along with it are bogus. Talk to a muslim and he will give you historical facts for jesus. Only this time totally different based on Quran.

P.S. : You must understand that I'm trying to provide arguments for atheism not because I want it to be. I'm trying to do my little research by reading history and drawing conclusions and not looking to offend people.

You still havent' given me answer for my christian bible question. The bible is totally contradictory to our moral arguments and you still have to give a reason for your belief other than your childhood indoctrination. You too can look for god, as by your arguments. But I must say old testament is one of the most ludicrous things I've read.

Agreed :)...The plot is amazing. But twilight convinces me there are vampires, more than bible that there is god