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16 years ago @ Jihad Watch - Jihad Watch: Muslim im... · 1 reply · +2 points

So on to comparing honor killings to drink driving and domestic assault. Just because one thing is more likely to happen, does not make the other less abhorrent. Can we find anyone in the community who would be willing to say that drink driving and domestic assault are acceptable? No, in fact we can point to advertising campaigns, educational programs and jail time as our societal rejection of these activities. The fact that these things still happen means that more must be done.
So let's look at the Islamic community - what marketing, educational programs or sharia based sanctions can you point to that show the Islamic community's rejection of honor killings?

16 years ago @ Jihad Watch - Jihad Watch: Muslim im... · 1 reply · +2 points

"Does the whole of Christianity take responsibility for those Christians who do this? I would like you to answer that question."
"The fact that there have been failures from leaders within my Catholic community to expose criminal behaviour (specifically in relation to sex crimes) is something that I have to deal with, to my anger and shame. This is not something that I am proud of. And as a Catholic, I have to respond to non-Catholics who bring this up; I have to take responsibility for the actions of my leaders.
Having said that, this is not a debate in my community. Nobody is wishing these criminals had never been caught, nobody is saying that what they did is excusable in any way.
THAT is the difference.

16 years ago @ Jihad Watch - Jihad Watch: Muslim im... · 1 reply · +2 points

"This has nothing to do with Islam period." Then why did you post "First, this issue is debated within the Muslim community, it's not set in stone that this is the case"? If it is debated in the community, then the attitude exits as an Islamic position, whether you think it is the correct position or not.

"Again, do you honestly think Muslims are to police each other as to who will commit a crime?" Actually, yes. If I am aware of criminal behaviour, it is my responsibility to turn that person in. And, God forbid, should I ever hear of a conspiracy to commit a crime, I'll be turning them in there as well.

16 years ago @ Jihad Watch - Jihad Watch: Muslim im... · 1 reply · +2 points

Let's start by agreeing on some definitions.
Intellectual dishonesty: representing a position that the advocate knows to be false; deliberately omitting facts that are relevant to one's position.
Ad Hominem: Latin for "argument to the man"; attacking the person instead of their ideas.

I am guilty of neither. And making a point about the correlation between Islam and groups of criminals and despots is not an attack on you personally, it is an attack on your religion.

16 years ago @ Jihad Watch - Jihad Watch: Muslim im... · 1 reply · +2 points

I've counted 4 times the use of the phrase "ad hominem" and the first thing you say is "Once again, learn to read. Take off your bigotted glasses for a moment, then read, yes, with an OPEN mind if you have one."
Why not practice what you preach? You do your argument a disservice by calling me a bigot simply because I disagree with you.
Actually, I don't recall seeing anywhere that this is a majority argument. I am quite willing to say that you are correct; I am not active in the Islamic community.
So let's say you are correct that there is a minority that thinks it is quite normal to kill your own family members because they leave Islam. What is an acceptable figure to you? 30%? 10%?
My concern is that there is in fact a debate at all. My concern is that this attitude exists at all. My concern is for the girl in the middle of this very real danger. And my final concern is that I cannot tell the difference between those who would and those who would not kill. Can you?
I'm trying to think of other groups that have this debate - Catholics? No. Athiests? No. Freemasons. No. Organised criminals. Yes. Military dictatorships. Yes.
Congratulations. On this issue, Islam has more in common with criminals and despots than organised religions.

16 years ago @ Jihad Watch - Jihad Watch: Hamas-lin... · 0 replies · +3 points

I would love to get my hands on the strategic document from CAIR that says:
"Shut down opposing views. Do not debate. Talk to the media only. Accuse all opposing views as "bigotry" or "racism". Say you will not talk to "extremists". Marginalise those who would speak out against you."
It's the ALA all over again. And it's the same strategy.
Spencer should get on the other end of a teleprompter the next time CAIR is in the media.

16 years ago @ Jihad Watch - Jihad Watch: Muslim im... · 6 replies · +5 points

"First, this issue is debated within the Muslim community, it's not set in stone that this is the case." So if there is debate there there is a side for and a side against. Which means that there are some in the community who would be quite willing to kill their own family members because they leave Islam.

Your own argument condemns you.

16 years ago @ Jihad Watch - Jihad Watch: Saudi ima... · 1 reply · +3 points

"They were invited in with open arms, financially subsidized and catered to by the post-Christian, secular leftist, multicultural elites "
Really. So Ronald, George Snr, George W, Thatcher and J Howard all put the brakes on Islamic expansion and pandering in their own countries? Didn't think so. And let's not mention the close economic ties that the "right wing neo cons" have with the Saudis.
Bashing liberals is all fun, but some of us are on your side. Bashing multiculturalism is fun, but up until now, it has worked reasonably well. Not perfectly, but aren't there some US cities that owe their culture to waves of immigrants? Like (oh, I don't know) Boston owes the Irish?
Liberals aren't the only ones who created this mess. Those of us that are true to our principles are quite happy to swim against the stream. Don't abuse your allies.

16 years ago @ Jihad Watch - Jihad Watch: Michigan:... · 0 replies · +1 points

I saw that one too. I'm guessing the administrators will pick up on the news feed and cancel all ratings from the last couple of days.
Interesting to note the older posts. Largely favourable, but all have spelling or grammatical errors.

16 years ago @ Jihad Watch - Jihad Watch: Australia... · 0 replies · +2 points

"The dishonest apologists for Islam would have you believe that it is all a bit of a misunderstanding."
And yet the one question that I have never heard: "He must have been getting his information from somewhere, several Imams or scholars must have spoken to him at length about Jihad, how could he have gotten it so wrong?"
And the follow up: "The Muslim community is not that big in Australia. Surely you would be familiar with some of the people who were guiding Mr Kent, what would you say to them?"

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