I can't sign the petition.

Fact is, wolves try to eat our livestock and eat our children.

We tamed this country a long time ago. We have moved onto their territory and we can manage the herds of buffalo and elk. The wolves or wildcats are not necessary as long as there are willing hunters ready to take their share of the work and, buddy, I will tell you there are WAY more hunters than game ALREADY!

Re-establish those wolves in Alaska or Canada but they have no place near families because we can not have animals that eat children...near our children. Here's hoping no young Oregonian gets eaten so we have to learn the lesson the hard way.

We must remember that there is a reason we cleared the wolves out, sorry for them AND the cats. My condolences, they are beautiful but we must think about the people, the Oregonians, and manage the wildlife in our great state accordingly.

We have domesticated this country. What do you say we leave it that way?

I can't live off that either but he lives with his grandmother and is autistic. If he has failed productivity tests for years then they keep him employed from their own GOOD WILL. He is lucky to have a job at all. There are some who would be glad for a job that pays anything (especially if they fail all the performance tests!). Wouldn't you guys rather see him rarey and let the Occupy campers take these low-paying jobs?

I would imagine that was an accident. A donation of that size would be tax-deductible and wouldn't they tell the bell-ringer they intended to give that much? The Salvation Army should investigate before they assume someone would just flip 2g in a pot.

Are you serious? You believe it is fair to support American companies for decades till they pull the rug out from under us, drop the quality of merchandise so it must be replaced every year and outsource labor till our resources are fairly LEAPING out of our pockets on the way to Asia and rich bankers? BS!!! Those men have just lost their livelihood and there is no alternative for them. When it hppens to you I certainly hope others feel a little more compassion than the narrow-minded shallow comments you have given here. $1000 for 2 is nothing to scoff at? Please! And you even throw in the fact they have decent plumbing, which is unsanitary.

They are taking our jobs one at a time, can't you see what is before you? It is in communities, the news, you may even know someone firsthand who has lost employment recently. Clinton left us with a surplus in the trillions. Bush left us with a deficit in the trillions!

You see 'union thugs' I see a husband and father who has been fired just because rich men want to be richer. Shame on you!

You said 'I don't no'. I beg to differ. All you do is no.

Just so you know, you are not fooling me into believing you really think a dog could rip off someone's scrotum 'ACCIDENTALLY'.

I made my point and no amount of bs you put down here will change the facts that this does happen, apparently more than I thought before our conversation here, and the lengths cops and others affiliated with them go to to try and cover up the truth.

The cops I quoted had experience working with that particular dog and while your opinion is important it really doesn't imply as much as those with direct experience with the incident, officers, and k9 who committed the attack against the 15 year old boy while a cop sat on him. Your years in law enforcement only show your allegiance and proves that you DO know what goes on but prefer the public don't know. Now your true colors show! You don't care about the truth. That is why you lie so adamantly. it is what you have been taught is the right thing to do. I believe the truth is more important.

I appreciate the fact that some people believe if others don't have enough FEAR, they won't act properly. So they lie and try and scare others into being a bit more like what they are. Scared and quiet with nothing new to offer the world, yay you.I invite you to have more faith in people, you get what you look for.

I said, "debating with you is like debating with drunk hecklers" and it was very true. I am glad to see that having pointed it out to you got you to post more thoughtfully. I'll remember how well that phrase works when I need to get someone to think just a tad and we will continue to keep the name calling under your breath.

flower for 4 weeks and get 1/4# per plant, eh?
Clones taken 2 weeks from harvest? -in flower? ...and you give them only 2 weeks in veg? 2 weeks in veg and 4(?) in flower and you get 1/4# per plant?

For everyone else, it takes a good 4 weeks, pref 6 weeks to 'veg up'. Flower takes minimum of 6 weeks up to 12.

I am sorry but I cannot get my head around your claim no matter what. I must assume you are talking from the ass unless I hear more on how you get these numbers. I am interested in doing the same if you would like to share, who wouldn't? but those numbers just don't add up, ime!
peace

You did not just cite, you REITERATED. I didn't jump to any conclusion.

You said, 'There may have been an incident where a police dog accidentally bit someone in the crotch.
...in response to my repost of a news story where a 15 year old had his scrotum ripped off by a k9 while being restrained by an officer.

Thanks for the credit but next time, maybe you will believe I am telling the truth and we can go forward from there? Maybe you would like to research this subject and see for yourself? I will make a point to help direct you as you need, just let me know.

Interested in your response to the actual content of what I am bringing here, not your reaction to me or my methods. It seems there are a number of substantiated reports of police dogs inflicting serious damage. I am very surprised to have found one from right here in Eugene just a few months ago...and it was the homeowner, not the perpetrator! I've been around and we have a comparatively good group of cops in Eugene.

Hitler started training dog to be used against his own citizens. They have historically been used in warfare but not in civilian incidents. We took the space program, plastics, alloys, advances in all fields of technology, great things the Nazis came up with and put them to good use. But the use of these large dogs against our civilian population in such violent, preemptive methods is most certainly cruel and unusual...and it precedes a trial or even arrest.

How would you like it if some dude ran by you then a k9 ran up to you and rips his teeth into the flesh of your upper thigh? 'Haha, it's an easy mistake, officer! I'll just head down to the hospital and get this stitched up'. The job these animals do is not for an animal. I don't consider my community protected if the cops are hurting us. That generates more animosity and polarity in the community against cops. They could easily use bloodhounds or beagles to chase down suspects but they choose attack breeds to catch them in their TEETH.

I would like to see more effort from you in your comments, debating with you is like debating with drunk hecklers but I have extra time this weekend. Do a bit of research, come up with good arguments, don't always respond from your gut reaction, and be open minded. If you look for the truth, you will find that what you have been told to believe and the truth don't fit together seamlessly. You are losing your rights as a citizen. Homeland Security can legally come take you in the middle of the night and keep you as long as they want without a trial, even ship you to a secret prison in another country and torture you. We are where our forefathers warned us not to go and it's time for you and the rest of us to stand up for the truth or get swept away in the lies!

LOL,dude.

You start off saying you're not close minded then go on to say, quote: 'There may have been an incident where a police dog accidentally bit someone in the crotch.
...in response to my repost of a news story where a 15 year old had his scrotum ripped off by a k9 while being restrained by an officer.

No offense, but that shows you are stuck believing in the same things you were taught to believe no matter what the facts and common sense tells you. Be a man(!) and think for yourself! Play by the rules but listen to your heart and look for the truth out there, it's worth standing up for!

Also I quote you: "Capt. Steve McCool of the Oklahoma City Police Department says "obviously they're not trained to bite in this particular area of the body."

Obviously a police captain covering his a$$, but the real item is that the very next sentence, my friend, goes on to reiterate my stance. I quote: 'Officers ... claim the animal was just doing what it was trained to do. '

The officers all agreed the dog was 'just' doing what it was trained to do.

Oh, so the dogs are trained to attack in such a manner that possible permanent or temporary injury may be inflicted? That's what I said and what you can't get your head around.

You are really hilarious, bud, but you really should get your head out of that hole. There's alot going on that you either don't know about or don't want anyone else to know about.

Are you serious? You want me to keep doing YOUR research to prove the truth and in the end it will not matter to you how much there is because you have a closed mind, my friend.

It is not interesting for me to debate with someone who brings nothing new to the table. I suggest next time you do you own research before you come back here.

A closed mind has no room for the truth,it only throws out anything what doesn't fit with what you consider acceptable.

Splitting particulars and hairs, the officer was at fault? Then it is alright to use the animals? No,that is why it's not alright. I don't feel that needs to be explained further. You see, you really have no point or direction except to put someone else down. Be a man and face the truth.You have lost your civil liberties and all of your constitutional rights have been amended by the people who you trusted. Now deal with it.

Oklahoma Teen Castrated by Police K9

Oklahoma Teen Bitten Between Legs By K9 Cop

By Russell Carter
KFOR/NBC News Channel

OKLAHOMA CITY, OK -- Oklahoma City police are facing allegations of brutality, after a 15-year-old boy claims officers used a K-9 to help arrest him and then bite him between his legs.

15-year-old Mark Adkins is now facing several charges after taking a joy ride in stolen car and getting into a short pursuit with police in southwest Oklahoma city. But along with the charges he's now facing an uphill battle with his health after being captured by a K-9 officer that tore away flesh along with his scrotum.

Mark says "the doctors told me they didn't think they would be able to stitch me back together."

Mark's mother, Michelle, says "he was in trauma for 7 to 9 days and I've just never seen anything like this done to a minor."

Capt. Steve McCool of the Oklahoma City Police Department says "obviously they're not trained to bite in this particular area of the body."

Officers say Mark was not handcuffed when the dog attacked, and claim the animal was just doing what it was trained to do.

Capt. Steve McCool says "you had the officer on top of the individual, they're on the ground, the guy's resisting, the dog is trying to assist the handler with this aggressive behavior the best he can."

Mark says "I can't explain how painful it was. It was like being tied up and eaten alive."

But Mark says he was no longer resisting. His mother now hopes legal action will help the police admit they were wrong.

Michelle says "there are some good officers out there and there are some bad ones, but I think in order to clean it up let these officers take responsibility for what they do to the public."

Police are still investigating the incident and as of Thursday, neither the dog nor his handler has faced any disciplinary action.

NBC News Channel

£770,000 paid out to police dog bite victims

Police dog victim seeks compo
http://www.kval.com/news/86289937.html
EUGENE, Ore. -- Tim Crossan said the police dog bit him three times--in the calf, his thigh and his buttocks.

He points to faint purple scars on his left calf, where the dog first bit him instead of biting the man who broke into his Churchill-area home. The scars, he said, do not tell the full story of his recovery.

That was about 10 seconds research. Seems police dogs aren't perfect. You have the same argument as the pit bull owners who trust their animals with their children. Of course it's their right.

A police dog can hurt you in ways that are illegal for the cops themselves. Where is the justice in being attacked by an animal trained to rip its teeth into your flesh, if you are innocent or not? If a drunk teen does something stupid to impress a girl or on a dare, there dam n well should be consequences but not immediate attack by large animal before trial or even arrest!

They are part of the Nazi tactics we stole from Hitler. I don't feel we should have defeated the Nazis to become them. We are better than that and we should treat each other better.