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15 years ago @ Big Government - FDA Records Detail 16 ... · 0 replies · +1 points

added comment - the 10 fellows, about which I wrote, were just for he 2009/2010 cycle. J&J's Robert Wood Johnson Foundation has been doing this for YEARS.

15 years ago @ Big Government - FDA Records Detail 16 ... · 0 replies · +1 points

Have you any idea how many ex-pharma employees serve at the FDA? Did you know the "non" profit of J&J has a "fellowship" program where they pay up to $165,000 to EACH and then give them FREE OF CHARGE to Congressional members, Congressional Committees and federal agencies? 10 "fellows" worked for FREE, writing POLICIE and ADVISING Michelle Obama, Nancy Pelosi, several committees, some other Congressional members and 3 of them were given to Health & Human Services which is OVER THE FDA. We've turned the sheep over to the wolves. We wrote to get Chantix off the market but the FDA said the benefits outweighed the risks. I wonder if that's what the mothers of these girls are being told.

15 years ago @ United Press Internati... - Under the U.S. Supreme... · 0 replies · +3 points

Evidently, UPI censors comments. I posted documentation about how big pHARMa's nicotine is highly addictive, increases the risk for cancer, the patches have a 98.4% failure rate for long term quitting and that the government has been duped into paying billions and billions for these products. But I guess UPI won't allow PROOF of the truth to be posted.

15 years ago @ KY3 - Group won\'t drop effo... · 0 replies · +2 points

You need to read the Anti-Tobacco Cartels' playbook. It says right in there that they won't "allow" exemptions of any kind. http://www.no-smoke.org/pdf/CIA_Fundamentals.pdf

Quote: "If unacceptable legislation is proposed, your coalition must speak out forcefully against the objectionable provisions. If elected officials are unwilling to strengthen the language despite your best efforts, you must mobilize your forces to actively oppose the ordinance. It is best to walk away with nothing than to be left with an ineffective ordinance that may haunt you and undermine your efforts for years to come."

Read their playbook. Use it against them.

Smoking bans do hurt bars!!! I know. I'm a bar owner in Ohio. It closed 313 of 2,345 the first year alone. Ohio lost out on over $12,000,000 in sales taxes from liquor alone the first 2 years. That doesn't include beer sales tax losses. My friend Candace just lost their family owned bar after being in business 26 years. They declared bankruptcy and lost their home, too.

16 years ago @ WOODTV.com - Smoking ban means big ... · 0 replies · +2 points

That's quite interesting seeing how every state that's had smoking banned in bars closes bars. It's also interesting that our bar is proof. And, I'm a Regional Director for Buckeye Liquor Permit Holders Association and we've had SEVERAL members lose their businesses DIRECTLY because of the ban. So how often are you wanting to go to bars? Daily? Enough to replace the everyday customers we lost? Or do you just go twice a month? You people kill me. It's ok...don't believe me. I give Michigan until good and cold December before the bars are SCREAMING at the legislature. Oh...and all the other states who've lost business because of the smoking ban must be wrong, too, huh? Ergo - the proof will be Michigan's own undoing.

16 years ago @ WOODTV.com - Smoking ban means big ... · 2 replies · +1 points

Really? Do YOU own a bar? I DO. You think Michigan is any different than all the other states where bar owners are MAD AS HELL that as soon as they went smoke-free, they lost vast amounts of money?

How much money does Tobacco-Control pay you to post garbage like this?

If you prefer smoke-free places, why don't YOU BUY ONE? YOU and those like you want everything your way, not matter who loses money or their private property rights. Well, YOU have the right, like we did, to invest every DIME into a business. Only pray the government doesn't dictate to YOU who your customers will be.

16 years ago @ WOODTV.com - Smoking ban means big ... · 6 replies · +1 points

I thought Michigan's economy was tanking. Now, you're going to have unemployed bartenders, musicians, vending companies will lose money, smoke eater businesses will go bankrupt. Funny thing. Our businesses used to be the place both blue and white collar people worked when they were unemployed. Now there's no safety net for them because bars, too, will be laying off.

16 years ago @ WOODTV.com - Smoking ban means big ... · 0 replies · +1 points

Anti-tobacco is devious. First, this press release is a boilerplate press release. Read any one of them and TC finds one person who says now they'll quit smoking (like she couldn't have quit without a ban?). They skew numbers and statistics. For example, Clearway Minnesota funded a study (how else do you think a TC funded study will turn out?) using NAICS employment data for bars and restaurants. Mind you, these numbers had to be obtained separately because bars is one NAICS and restaurants another. They combine the employment data ON PURPOSE and then proclaim the ban does not hurt bars and restaurants. What they don't tell you is, in Minn. restaurants outnumber bars 5:1. Restaurant employees outnumber bar employees 10:1. So for every 1 laid off bar employee, 50 restaurant employees overpower the loss. Chain restaurants do fine with smoking ban. They make their money getting you in and out, refilling your seat with another paying customer. Not so with bars. Many mom and pop restaurants can't compete with food prices so they "had" loyal smoking customers who didn't mind paying a little more.

16 years ago @ WOODTV.com - Smoking ban means big ... · 0 replies · +1 points

In October, the 10th District Court of Appeals issued the Pour House decision on the illegal enforcement of the ban. In February, another decision was made in the Zeno's case. In BOTH cases, the Ohio Dept. of Health was severely chastized for imposing strict liability against the owners. The judges ruled if the owner put up the sign, took away ashtrays and told people they could not smoke that the owner could not be held responsible for others' actions. The arrogant Attorney General has appealed the ruling and they continue to illegally enforce the ban. A liquor permitting association is going to file a class action lawsuit to have all its members fines and court costs returned.

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