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16 years ago @ The Wild Hunt - Bloody Death-Pit or An... · 0 replies · +2 points

I've yet to see anyone defend the actions or abuse of animals. So far, the opinions offered have been

1. Negligence on the part of the home owner
2. Overblown sensationalism from people who allow their preconceived notions to cloud their judgement.

So it would seem the consensus is we need more info and context.

16 years ago @ The Wild Hunt - Bloody Death-Pit or An... · 0 replies · +5 points

Torture? Enjoyment? I'm at an utter loss as to how either are associated with ritualized slaughter? Or that it has anything to do with fanaticism. Perhaps if you'd educate yourself a little, you'd be able to avoid blanket condemnations. Why condemn those who raise their own livestock, slaughter them with their own hands, and prepare them for consumption? I understand that getting your meat already prepared, in styrofoam or plastic wrap is convenient, but it does not provide you with some moral high-ground to condemn those who do the dirty work themselves, simply because you pretend that the meat you consume was not a life, but just a piece of meat.

The animal is eaten after the sacrifice (though a portion is given to the Gods) first and foremost. The animal is not tortured, it is killed in the humanest method possible, any suffering on part of the animal detracts from the ritual, which says nothing to the cruelty of making an animal suffer. If it suffers your doing it wrong.

It seems you simply dislike the idea of attaching significance to the slaughter of animals, outside of their consumption. If the animal is ultimately consumed, why then do you see it as problematic? Do you feel the same way about Kosher or Halal meats as well?

16 years ago @ The Wild Hunt - Bloody Death-Pit or An... · 6 replies · +3 points

I've got to agree with the other two posters, you are coming off as considerably hypocritical. Have you come under the sway of such sensationalists representations of animal sacrifice that you've bought into them as being representative of actual practices?

It was not so long ago that people raised their own livestock, many today still keep chickens and swine for such purposes. Why does the attachment of religious significance to the slaughter of livestock make it unnecessary and cruel? Frankly home raised livestock enjoys a far better life than their stock yard counterparts, so to accept one and reject the other because some people attach meaning to the slaughter, is not a particularly defensible position.

16 years ago @ The Wild Hunt - The Simpsons and Wiccans · 0 replies · +2 points

I wish the episode had been more even in terms of the laughs, instead of only having pockets. It was what I was expecting in terms of portrayal, the first quote you referenced summed it up nicely. The show is satire, pure and simple, though Buddhism was treated with a bit more deference (although in later episodes Buddha himself is made fun of when ever he shows up) then again it was being practiced by adults as opposed to children. I do agree that it would be hypocritical to get bent out of shape about it, (Christianity after all is a regular whipping boy on the show), but this seems to be the consensus among Pagans I've talked with. Well that and "who still watches the Simpsons?" which I suppose is something which I can rightly be indignant about.

16 years ago @ The Wild Hunt - Indianapolis Public Sc... · 0 replies · +2 points

I'd side with the lazy/ couldn't be bothered to read the fine print mentality, still its no excuse.

It is interesting that under Alternative sexuality/ lifestyle they make a point to not include LGBT sites, so at first it seems to be alright. Scroll down and you see it is its own catergory.

Some social conservative group has its fingerprints all over this software.

16 years ago @ The Wild Hunt - More on the Pagan Angl... · 0 replies · +1 points

More and more "freedom of religion" is code for " I (and my majority religion) should have the right to pray to my God, and everyone else, has the right to shut up about it".

If only politicians would stop and consider the two way street that is religious freedom, they might realize that:

1. Other religions exist in the United States
2. Those religions have the same rights as your own, even if they are smaller.

16 years ago @ The Wild Hunt - Even More (Pagan) News... · 0 replies · +1 points

I'm not sure his religion played any part at all in his election, it was a non-issue until the story was published by the Queens Tribune, then it was used as a weapon. That voters looked beyond his religion, and at his politics (and from everything I've come across the issues with restricting development was the central platform he ran (and won) on) and elected him over his Democratic opponent.

Still, an openly practicing Heathen was elected to a public office in the US, that bears some significance, if nothing else its a milestone.

16 years ago @ The Wild Hunt - Even More (Pagan) News... · 0 replies · +1 points

The scholarly approach is something which is supposed to be undertaken by anyone claiming to be a Celtic Recon, though in terms of reconstructing iron age social structures as the basis for group organization, I have seen some variants of it (organization based on function for example, CR groups as they are, are considerably small to begin with), but nothing to the extent of Theodism.

You may be right with regards to the Hiberno-Norman roots, though most lay people would be even less aware of that, than Indo-Europeans.

16 years ago @ The Wild Hunt - Even More (Pagan) News... · 2 replies · +1 points

It is mentioned in one of the links above, and I have seen it somewhere else as well, though I am unable to remember where (unless it was directly quoting the above article).

There are numerous Celtic Recon groups out there who do just that Nick.

16 years ago @ The Wild Hunt - Even More (Pagan) News... · 8 replies · +1 points

An aside from the current discussions, I've noticed in a few of the reports on Theodish belief is claimed to be "rooted in pre-Christian Celtic and Germanic belief."

I'm curious how the Celts managed to get associated with this, I've not come across anything relating Theodism with the Celts; Germanic, Anglo-Saxon for sure, but not the Celts...

My initial response would be that anything portrayed as "Mystic" and "European" has to make mention of the Celts somewhere, but if there are aspects of Theodish belief which stem from the Celtic cultures, I'd appreciate the information, but so far I've found nothing.

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