I have only read about half these posts an am amazed of the statements that have not a thing to do with the principles above or freedom. This side track crap is what has got Americans where they are today.

I admit the spending Obama has done bothers me. Why? Because it is government who owns nothing, creates nothing, must by force tax me for Obama and other Politicians to do what they want. It does not matter how many approve of him or not. Approval ratings that are like votes are not a thing more then majority rule suppressing the other half. Lost of freedom.

As far as Chavez is concerned. I am not going to judge his heart that I do not know. Or what his smile or hand shake meant. I am for open trade with all countries. I will not suppress them if they do not agree with me over how to run their country. At least sort-of they did vote for it down their. Most do it at flat gun point.

As far as any country hatred for us or having arms. How do we know--what if all this army intervention is causing all the hatred? We have troops in over 130 countries. Bring them home and defend our borders. I believe we are very capable of doing that. I also believe there is not country that can stand against us. Moreso, when one believes and fights for freedom. Freedom that our constitutional fathers fought for is principled men who no one can stop.

Especially if we had a strong economy. Because the economy we have is because of the needless spending of government. Weather it be for welfare, schools, parties, or wars. The government and you an I can not afford. When one can not afford it. They should worry.

To that I am worried. Because Americans have squandered their wealth away on frivolous wars and politicians and Americans wanting something from government. I want not a thing from government, but to protect my borders. To that as an old man, I will not fight again a frivolous war of aggression. I will not volunteer or encourage one of my children or grandchildren to participate in. Diffidently not call it patriotic.

Principled men one should fear. Get principle.

I think not. They talk again and again about their recruiting. Hmmmm--Gez--I am going to be there recruiting also for Beck, Campaign for Liberty and looking into others.

I met a miltia bunch in Ohio and had a great discussion with them on liberty. Not one of them were extremists. yes, we had a great time at the range and talking some gun talk. That is why you recruit before the other side gets into their heads.

As long as they propagate liberty--I will recruit--individual freedom applies, take your choice of which org. you want to join.

There is some good ones in there and I gladly agree with some of them. I wished you would have argued the demise of one or two of those quotes I sent. Thomas Jefferson. probably the most vocal of all the forefathers or at least the most quotes written. Has written on both sides of the issue. As I post for another that one must go over them all and try to understand their thinking. One can not just say he is a liar on this quote and honest on that. One must assume all are honest and what is his ideology or belief. Those I quoted were very blunt, so how would one dismiss them?

No this is not a war of quotes. Unless one chooses not to engage themselves to answer to them.

Hitler claiming a Christian? That is some of the problem. People look around them and say this is Christianity. Is it? Just because one claims it? I partially agree with Barry Goldwater and have stated my reason and what was wrong with it from principles to you. You never engaged those principles. Can I assume you agree? disagree?

"Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?" Thomas Jefferson. These questions were in relation to a further thought. I will have to search and find the train of thought. Yes, many religions have done things in the name of religion not so noble. That can be said of many other organizations from gangs up to governments. Does not one give up their freedom when they join a group? Does not that make it easier for one to deny another or abuse another their freedom? Maybe we should outlaw all gatherings? If done would not that deny freedom?

"I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians." You did not put who this quote came from. I heartily agree. There are many in the pew that never engage Christianity. Their are also many in the pulpit and on the board. Why would it be written, their will be many that say, "Lord , Lord, and He will say, I know you not." Then name one on earth that was perfect, because you will only find one that ever lived.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion." -Steven Weinberg Not familiar with this fellow, but will address it anyhow. The majority in this world claim they will get to heaven based on what they have done and then they set the standard to get there. Seems pious to me.

This idea is Found in most religions, not true Christianity as Jefferson claimed. Even tho many claim themselves Christians then go to works to get to heaven based on how they define good. So there is good doing evil by majority of the world.

Thomas Paine, the Bible has been read by more and examined less then any other book. I could not agree more. Does that make the book less truthful? Or just not understood? I think the latter is what Paine was pointing to and making a call for indulgence of. He would not have written a theological book if his passion of indulgence was not there.

There, i engaged a few of your quotes and shown the principles and ideology behind them. Please engage my quotes and even comment on this one. For this is not about publishing quotes, but understanding those quotes and truthfulness from perspectives. The question still stands---was the constitution formed on Christian Principles. Point one--The framers said so.

Personally I am not sure why he put that their. Except our forefathers seen this in claiming the Creator in the constitution and has much validity from their Christian Principles. "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?" Thomas Jefferson.

Recognizing a supreme being have created us, means He is the only one any of us answer to. I do not answer to you and you do not answer to me, but we all have to answer to our Creator. If one believes there is naught, then upon death they will know, dust or meet thy Creator. No skin off my nose but I will tell of the truth, "He is Risen." and gives me my liberty to do good or bad and He will judge.

Theodore was a progressive along with Wilson. With those Presidents came the Federal Reserve or Printing Money. The Judicial system saying they did not have to look to the constitution anymore for decisions. Encouraged by TR so he could claim the states as a corporation that allowed Federal Goverment to dictate welfare and work programs. This opened the door for massive Federal intervention and taking States sovereignty away. Need I go on?

If one goes and reads many of the writings of our forefathers they would find they based the constitution on the Christian Principles. They loved religion, Christianity they loved. Declared even if man forgot God, they would be in chains of tyrants.

The problem exists that many just look around them and say this is Christianity. One must go back to our forefathers and ask. How did you perceive Christianity. As one said, "this is true Christianity." Chirstians today do not perceive the Crusaders Christians even tho they had the name.

The main stay was in recognizing a Creator. When one recognizes a creator they have to recognize the creators rights to his creation. That created individual liberty freedom idea. That I have no rights over you any more then you have rights over me. That is God's right or Creator rights.

Opinions are just that an individual thought. Is that individual right or wrong? Who is to decide if that opinion is right or wrong? Who judges my opinion?

Valid questions from individual liberty.

Thomas Jefferson said, "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

So no one has a right to force their opinion on another. Argue, discuss is not force. Walk away if you had enough or you think their rationale is not valid or more importantly. You decided you will do it your way and believe what you want. If you think that sex, rock, and roll is only thing in life. That is your entitlement between you and God. This is not about who is right or wrong This is about you searching for the truth and if you decide to seek outside counsel. That is your choice. Posting here is seeking outside counsel or an endeavor to put what I or you think is truth up against another thought of what is truth. Yet, in the end, it is each individual who decides on their own.

John Quincy Adams said, "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

Adams also said, "From the day of the Declaration . . . They [the American people] were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of the Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledged as the rules of their conduct."

Daniel Webster said, ""Finally, let us not forget the religious character of our origin. Our fathers were brought hither by their high veneration for the Christian religion. They journeyed by its light, and labored in its hope. They sought to incorporate its principles with the elements of their society, and to diffuse its influence through all their institutions, civil, political, or literary."

Noah Webster said, ""The religion which has introduced civil liberty, is the religion of Christ and his apostles, which enjoins humility, piety, and benevolence; which acknowledges in every person a brother, or a sister, and a citizen with equal rights. This is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free constitutions of government."

Thomas Jefferson said, "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?"

Patrick Henry said, "It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains."

I think that sums up our forefathers thought of the the constitution being Christian Principles.

Get out of the UN and I do not care what Iran or N.Korea does.

If they fire one missile this way. It will be shot out of the air. Hell on earth will be theirs, brought to them by freedom loving Americans.

Freedom Loving Americans do not have the capital to monitor the world with armies in 130 countries.

I always say, "I want not a thing from government and take not a thing from me." Is that to hard to understand.

It just appalls me that all over everyone of my representative websites. They ask you to contact them if you have a problem with a government agency. Gez, yeah, there existence.