Hey uh, Mixed -Up Mike my post was a response to the guy who said that the Arabs struck first in what he called the "7 day war." There is nothing "selective" it is a correction using a source I thought he would find reliable. Why is it impossible to cite any fact here and receive an intelligent response? Many respondents appear to be Jewish who Abraham spawned so many subliterates.
But it isn't "logic" it's what happened and Israel exists under identical circumstances. It isn't my "logic" it is a precise response to another poster who wants it two ways. The Arabs escape the Ottomans as some kind of synthetic product of modernism and Israel supposedly teems with legitimacy. I don't propund "logic" like peoples are entitled to a state. No nation is entitled to a fluidity of borders in a region that continues until their avarice is satisfied.
Okay Whatever you say, this kind of babbling dealing with centuries in half sentences is valid by your lights. You are the one that claimed that Ishmael's progeny have no claim prior to the Ottoman centuries and I responded in kind. So your position, as far as can tell, is that we can make claims to land based on who has the earlieist historical records? No matter how far away in time the claimants are from those lands? I'm willing to go along with the idea and the borders of Israel as internationally agreed to, you are insane and an enemy of a practical solution. You also loath facts.
"Israel decided to preempt the expected Arab attack. To do this successfully, Israel needed the element of surprise. Had it waited for an Arab invasion, Israel would have been at a catastrophic disadvantage. On June 5, Prime Minister Eshkol gave the order to attack Egypt."
Verbatim quote from The Jewish Virtual Library on the outbreak of the Six-Day War.
Oh, but that's right you were talking about the "7 day war", only real scholars, like you, have the straight dope on that one.
One other little thing, if a country fails to have legitimacy because it has only been recognized since 1918 then what of one that only goes back to 1948? Furthermore whatever the UN, the British, Jordan, Egypt or Israel has done in the past in Gaza and the West Bank the respective populations on the ground there oppose rule by Israel. Forgive me if I was unable to elucidate why Israel has a legitimate claim to those places from your hysterical barely relevant post. There is no definitive book on this region's history but even the one's advocated by the government of Israel itself could correct many of your ludicrous notions of erudition on this subject.
Based on that theory Israel is even more phony because they were "made up" in 1947. Everything in the history of statehood is "made up" in one way or another. And if country's "made up" by French and British policies of the post-Ottoman period are illegitimate how do "promises" (that changed constantly toward all parties concerned) made to Zionists have legitimacy? The UN drew up borders that gave 55% of the land to the one third of the population calling itself Jewish in 1946. Those are the rough boundaries of pre-1967 Israel and the only ones ever recognized by Britain or the US.
I've not met a highschooler yet that is versant in the Sevres or Laussanne Treaties, Churchill's disastrously treacherous administration of Mesopatamia, Sykes-Picot, Gertrude Bell, General Allenby, the King-Crane Commission and numerous other details of the regions development. I don't know what elite Prep you attend either but suggest you return and go round with me when you are a senior and properly sedated.
Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights are not Israel Sweetie. Funny how difficult it is getting that idea out of subliterate heads. Rightfully, lawfully? You don't even know the legitimate borders of the country and are well beneath the task or recounting the convoluted history of Israel's creation. But what the heck why not just give up your land and country and move to another one because your nieghbor needs elbow room? It's only neighborly and they may not need more for several years, then of course it's time to get neighborly again.
Wait a minute! Why don't you give up your home, someone else undoubtedly wants it and your relatives have plenty of room after all.... Why don't you take up knitting or rose gardening or something hon? There' s enough easy prey around here as it is....
Where the hell is Orwell's successor? What kind of a boater resists a hostile boarding party.. The IDF is supposed to do all the hitting. How dare they assault the Israeli fist with their faces? It was almost exactly like the hostile way USS Liberty's crew reacted to torpedos, missiles and strafing. Talk about anti-Semitism doesn't the IDF get to kill, torture or kidnap anybody anymore. Whatever happened to the NYT and WP? They went for a quarter century burying details of the occupation and other sordid details of Israeli policy. Now, though, the IDF doesn't even get to poke their caged captives with a stick and someone's telling on them.
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