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8 years ago @ elephant journal: Yoga... - The Michael Roach Bubble. · 1 reply · +1 points

Regrettably, many people from this 2nd retreat are helping GMR spread his mistaken views of karma.

8 years ago @ elephant journal: Yoga... - The Michael Roach Bubble. · 0 replies · +1 points

Some older students (including the angels from the first retreat) left him. Some would-be students have been warned away by discussions here.

8 years ago @ elephant journal: Yoga... - The Michael Roach Bubble. · 0 replies · +1 points

The owner decided to make the videos private. Google searches.

8 years ago @ elephant journal: Yoga... - The Michael Roach Bubble. · 0 replies · +1 points

Good to see you commenting again, but your assessment seems pretty harsh, unless you have personal knowledge.

8 years ago @ elephant journal: Yoga... - The Michael Roach Bubble. · 0 replies · +1 points

9 years ago @ elephant journal: Yoga... - The Michael Roach Bubble. · 2 replies · +1 points

I assume the conversation on your chosen topic has not been very fruitful for either of us--which is regrettable. On the topic of his worldview, of karma in particular, GMR proposes "coffee meditation" as the method to hasten a desired karmic outcome, for example a perfect partner. Is such teaching "helpful and correct"? The method wasn't particularly helpful for GMR, Christie, or many tantra couples--according to Christie's account: “a huge number of break-ups”. If the "Diamond Cutter method" could "remove diseases", from gout to cancer, why wasn't it helpful in ridding him of diarrhoea on trips to India https://michaelroachfiles.wordpress.com/2014/06/1...? Why was Andin in crippling debt despite his massive merit of partially paying off Sera Mey's debts?

Is his method for getting karmic results in this lifetime supported by scriptures or commentaries? Unless you re-engage in conversation on this new topic of karma and emptiness, I won't bother typing out my reply. In any case, I wish you the best on your path and hope that you will help lead others away from the wrong the path.

Remski's new article on DM tragedy https://yogainternational.com/article/view/spirit...

9 years ago @ elephant journal: Yoga... - The Michael Roach Bubble. · 6 replies · +1 points

We had been responding to each other's comments within a few days, but my reply to your trang-nge comment was 5 weeks ago and is still unanswered; but I'm glad it's not intentional, you may want to sort the posts by Last Activity. BTW, that reply should not be misconstrued as idle gossip, my intention was to address the topic at hand, and understand how it is practiced by tradition vs at DM.

As far as I can tell, guru yoga and samaya may create a staggerlingly lopsided power dynamic that can be unhealthy/problematic, at least in the Western cultural context, and especially when practiced by unskillful Western newbies. As the DL has wisely pointed out:

"The problem with the practice of seeing everything the guru does as perfect is that it very easily turns to poison for both the guru and the disciple. Therefore, whenever I teach this practice, I always advocate that the tradition of “every action seen as perfect” not be stressed. Should the guru manifest un-dharmic qualities or give teachings contradicting dharma, the instruction on seeing the spiritual master as perfect must give way to reason and dharma wisdom. I could think to myself, “They all see me as a Buddha, and therefore will accept anything I tell them.” Too much faith and imputed purity of perception can quite easily turn things rotten." http://www.lionsroar.com/teachers-not-gods

But GMR seemed to not have foreseen such dangers, even when practiced in a private one-on-one setting. In fact, he seemed to encourage such unbalanced view when he claimed divinity, and wrote in another letter that the women in the first retreat were all angels/female Buddhas.

I'll take to heart your reminder of not getting caught up in the scandal and gossips. I feel that the info in this forum has created a clearer, but somewhat skewed, view of GMR and DM. Though I'm on the path, there are plenty who are or would like to be, and I wouldn't hesitate to alert them that they're possibly being mislead down the wrong path: the "proofs" of success through karmic management all have huge holes. Unfortunately, it does not seem possible to challenge his karma presentation without mentioning background stories.

My outsider's perspective may be very wrong, and as always, I'd appreciate any feedback from you and other students.