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15 years ago @ Big Journalism - Dear Helen: From One A... · 1 reply · +1 points

My conclusions? That’s a difficult call as I don’t accept the new testament as an accurate document and as a Jew I utterly reject its’ message.
Having said that don’t forget that the rank, tribe or position with any Jew is inherited from his father and in order for the Christian messiah to inherit anything from Joseph he would have had to have been fully physically related to him, which was not apparently the case, as this religion claims that he was impregnated into Mary by a non-sexual act by a deity – thus removing Joseph’s lineage from the picture (and direct lineage from King David with it, which is a mandatory requirement for the messiah).
So Jesus was either the god-man that Christian writings claim and was therefore disqualified from being the messiah, or he was born in the conventional manner with Joseph as his regular dad, which would have meant that he was a member of his fathers’ tribe and a direct descendant of King David – but it’s an either/or as these two options are of course mutually exclusive.

15 years ago @ Big Journalism - Dear Helen: From One A... · 1 reply · +1 points

Firstly let me say that I respect the way that you have thought this through quite thoroughly and arrived at your conclusions.
Your 2 options seem pretty logical although the Roman Catholic Church has turbo-driven the assertion that Mary was not only a virgin throughout this entire series of events, but was moreover always a virgin and upon her death was returned ‘unopened’. This seems to fly in the face of difficult waters when James is referred to as the brother of Jesus in a non-metaphorical manner.
Joseph was (according to the new testament) ‘concerned’ about this girls’ virtue until a dream came to him that everything was hunky dory because god did it.

15 years ago @ Big Journalism - Dear Helen: From One A... · 0 replies · +1 points

My conclusions? That’s a difficult call as I don’t accept the new testament as an accurate document and as a Jew I utterly reject its’ message.
Having said that don’t forget that the rank, tribe or position with any Jew is inherited from his father and in order for the Christian messiah to inherit anything from Joseph he would have had to have been fully physically related to him, which was not apparently the case, as this religion claims that he was impregnated into Mary by a non-sexual act by a deity – thus removing Joseph’s lineage from the picture (and direct lineage from King David with it, which is a mandatory requirement for the messiah).
So Jesus was either the god-man that Christian writings claim and was therefore disqualified from being the messiah, or he was born in the conventional manner with Joseph as his regular dad, which would have meant that he was a member of his fathers’ tribe and a direct descendant of King David – but it’s an either/or as these two options are of course mutually exclusive.

15 years ago @ Big Journalism - Dear Helen: From One A... · 10 replies · +3 points

Well Bryn I have to admit that you really have a mindset that is not likely to be interrupted by actual historical facts, and the more times you repeat your rhetoric the truer you hope it will become.
If you wish to succeed in your stories you would probably be better advised in choosing a subject that you can defend with logic and truth, rather than just spewing your distorted rants of illogical hatred to a world who doesn't need it.
It's otherwise probably best to say nothing and risk people thinking you're possibly a hate-filled imbecile, rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

15 years ago @ Big Journalism - Dear Helen: From One A... · 0 replies · +1 points

I think you may be missing the point... not all of us are included in your expression 'ours' and for those of us who have no connection and/or reject the Christian messiah it logically follows that he is not nor ever will be 'our' lord.

15 years ago @ Big Journalism - Dear Helen: From One A... · 6 replies · +2 points

...and from where exactly did you source this conclusion?

15 years ago @ Big Journalism - Dear Helen: From One A... · 8 replies · +1 points

Because Jesus laid no claim to an earthly father he also could not lay any claim to a particular tribe - certainly not from his fathers' side... he most likely was absorbed into his mothers' side or adopted by his step-father Joseph.

15 years ago @ Big Journalism - Dear Helen: From One A... · 0 replies · +1 points

The inherant pre-requisite of the messiah is that he MUST be directly descended from King David... In Judaism your authenticity as a Jew is given to you by having a Jewish mother, but your 'rank' or particular inherited 'position' is given to you by your father.
Seeing as Mary was reputed to be Jewish, then any son that she would have had would have definately been Jewish...
BUT... as the story goes... Joseph was not that actual physical father of the infant because 'g-d did it' so therefore any offspring in this circumstance could never qualify as the messiah even if he walked on the moon.

15 years ago @ Big Journalism - Dear Helen: From One A... · 0 replies · +1 points

There are only 12 Tribes and there was never a tribe of that name amongst them - sorry to disappoint.

15 years ago @ Big Journalism - Dear Helen: From One A... · 0 replies · +1 points

It's a great book - I read it about 20 years ago.

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