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17 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - Feds review deputy bea... · 0 replies · +4 points

Here's how it works in the USA > A court determines your innocence or guilt and, in the case of guilt, establishes punishment. The determination of innocence or guilt is NOT the job of the police, NOR is the establishment of punishment, IF GUILTY, the job of the police.

You and a significant number of police have a SERIOUS failure of understanding about the use of violence by police. Police are NOT authorized to inflict punishment upon suspects as if suspects have been found guilty of any accusations against them. It is NOT the job of the police to judge or to punish suspects. Your attitude is, frankly, condones illegal behavior and is in violation of the guidelines for commenting here.

17 years ago @ KOMO - Seattle, WA - Feds review deputy bea... · 3 replies · +3 points

OK, so your daughter takes your car down to the Dairy Queen without telling you - you look in the driveway and don't see your car - you call the police and report it 'stolen' - the police arrest your own daughter and her friends for car theft - the police intimidate your daughter and her friends - the police assault your daughter and her friends in this manner - you break the arms and legs of your daughter and her friends - you go to the state penitentiary for the insane - your daughter and her friends sue you and the county, successfully, for millions of dollars - you die in prison, broke, thinking you are a hero.

17 years ago @ KVAL - Eugene, OR - Pit bull bill that rea... · 0 replies · +1 points

Your dog's one purpose in life is to understand what you want and to please you. Welcome to the club.

17 years ago @ KVAL - Eugene, OR - Pit bull bill that rea... · 0 replies · +2 points

Here you go - take the pit bull test. Let us know how many wrong answers you get before you correctly identify the American Pit Bull Terrier.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com After .com add /petbull/findpit.html

17 years ago @ KVAL - Eugene, OR - Pit bull bill that rea... · 1 reply · +1 points

About breeding; some dog breeds are the result of efforts by people over long periods of time - centuries, while other dog breeds, such as pit bulls, are the result of efforts by people over just a few short years. I cannot agree with you that Pit Bulls were bred to fight. That is simply not true.

Mr. Starr's draft bill specifically targeted American Pit Bull Terriers. Let's see if you can correctly identify which dog is the American Pit Bull Terrier. http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com. After .com add /petbull/findpit.html

After visiting this page I think we will all find that darned few of us could even identify a pit bull if we had to. And don't forget that the pit bull is a mix of a terrier and the olde English Bulldog, which is also shown on this page and which doesn't look anything like any of us thought this dog did.

17 years ago @ KVAL - Eugene, OR - Pit bull bill that rea... · 0 replies · +1 points

Hey, Mr. Starr; Ban Dinosaurs, why don't you? They look pretty mean to me!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX3QCaqLtJ8&eu...

17 years ago @ KVAL - Eugene, OR - Bill talks of banning ... · 0 replies · +6 points

The headline on this news report is very misleading. It describes the draft bill as being about banning 'Pit Bulls' but anyone who reads the draft will see that it is also about banning "American Terriers" and "Staffordshire Terriers".

This is a WHOLE different kettle of fish. I followed Bill Cannon's advice and did an image search for the terms listed in the draft bill. The variety of dogs that this bill would cover goes WAY beyond what most people think of as a Pit Bull (namely, a dog with tiny eyes that is baring its teeth at you and would like to rip your face off in an instant). Unfounded fear of one's own imagination is not a good reason to do anything.

17 years ago @ KVAL - Eugene, OR - Bill talks of banning ... · 1 reply · +3 points

EHarold, I'd like to apologize to you for accidentally clicking on the thumbs down symbol. It was my intention to click on Thumbs Up but the software that drives these comments is not flexible enough to allow me to correct my error. I'll vote you up on other comments to compensate for the shortcoming of the software in this regard. Sorry.

17 years ago @ KVAL - Eugene, OR - Bill talks of banning ... · 0 replies · +7 points

This will be a contest of will and determination between those of us who know about Staffordshire Terriers or own one, such as the Staffordshire Terrier shown and talked about at http://www.brittany-ferries.co.uk/pet-friendly-ho... and those of you who don't know about dogs and who substitute fear for understanding.

In the first place, a lot of you, including the person who wrote this 'draft bill', mistakenly think that Staffordshire Terriers are Pit Bulls. Well, they are NOT. http://www.breederweb.com/dogs/breeds/134-staffor...

This draft and the comments that some have left here are misguided, irrational, ignorant expressions that would cause a tremendous deal of harm, depriving us of a companionship with Terriers that goes back thousands of years.

There are many things that a person can do here in Oregon, or anywhere, that will make life better for all of us, but killing and banning all of the Staffordshire Terriers is absolutely not one such thing. Laws written and supported by fearful, ignorant people are bad laws. We don't need laws that protect us from such American Terriers as this one http://dogs.about.com/od/fordoglovers/ss/goliath_... but, rather, we need protection from people who would kill such dogs and punish those of us who own and care for them.

This is a shameful attempt at Oregon Legislation.

17 years ago @ KVAL - Eugene, OR - Ballot-counting softwa... · 0 replies · 0 points

First of all I think Lane County Elections owes us a precise explanation of what happened. If it was the operating system that crashed, tell us that, and tell us which one. If it was the software application that crashed, tell us that, and tell us which one. If it was a hardware issue, tell us that, and tell us the details.

There's no need for secrets regarding this issue.

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