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13 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Supreme Court rejects ... · 7 replies · -10 points

In 2010, Arizona received $1.46 from the Federal government for every $1 it collected in Federal taxes. If they secede, no more social security, no more Medicare, no more subsidies from the Federal government. Your suggested crackdown on illegals - which you seem to think would be cost-free - would never come close to making up for the lost revenue from the Feds. Have fun moving there.

13 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Officials: Oregon\'s h... · 0 replies · -11 points

Whoa - lay off the facts. They get in the way of the rage.

13 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Officials: Oregon\'s h... · 1 reply · -3 points

From the real George Carlin:

"Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money."

You're proving him right.

13 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Fabricated bank adds t... · 2 replies · -1 points

Their army is probably fake.

13 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Sources: Immunity offe... · 0 replies · -8 points

The anger directed at the government presupposes that the government has a soft place in its heart for illegals. It doesn't. Politicians live and breathe by campaign contributions. Businesses pour money into politics to get the policies that they want. Our current immigration policy is a product of this political money - it supplies business with a cheap and disposable source of labor.

An e-verify system would help curb illegal hiring and catch business that hire illegals. So businesses oppose it, spend money to get it blocked, and politicians oblige. This has been the situation for decades.

And I'm not speaking for you. I disagreeing with you. No need for a hissy fit.

13 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Sources: Immunity offe... · 2 replies · -13 points

Yes it is. Do you think the illegal immigrants have a powerful lobby working in DC to prevent the e-verify system? Or is it the employers who might have such a lobby and who don't want to be separated from their cheap and expendable labor?

13 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Sources: Immunity offe... · 1 reply · -10 points

The enforcement is the policy.

We have laws against hiring illegal immigrants - we just don't enforce those laws. When ICE raids a factory, it frog-marches the immigrants. Frog-march a few of the executives in these raids, and you'll start seeing results. Keep dreaming that you can seal the borders and round up everyone who is here already, and you'll maintain the status quo.

13 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Sources: Immunity offe... · 3 replies · -20 points

I do remember that - the same people who were angry then are angry now. They were incapable of rational discussion and solidly members of the Republican base. Like I said, instead of really, really, really hating Obama, now they can really, really, really, really hate him. So what?

There were a lot of problem with Bush's guest worker program. The knee-jerk rage prevented any real examination of the issue - all to the benefit of the companies merrily hiring illegals.

13 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Sources: Immunity offe... · 0 replies · -15 points

What's your answer to that question?

13 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Sources: Immunity offe... · 4 replies · -9 points

Nevertheless, the anger is misdirected. It's easy to blame the people trying to escape poverty and taking jobs that employers in this country are anxious to give them. If you want to solve the illegal immigration problem, aim high at the rich and powerful people and companies that benefit from the status quo. If companies stopped hiring illegals, illegals would not stay here.

This policy addresses the problem of those that are here. We can either keep them poor and willing to work for nothing, or we can let them better themselves and raise their expectations.

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