Ouch, oh me...! I have a lot to do in my own life. Thanks Raymond for that point on inherent mess. Its true that even the "natural mess" in nature is ordered. We temper with that order - we have a result as that of global warming. Ray you got that point VERY RIGHT! I can't even over emphasize how very important it is. God is a God of order! 1Corinthians 14:40. Thanks Raymond...