glad I could help some, Another poster on here went to my xanga and asked some questions along the same lines, The discussion is in the replies to my April 1st post. Its mostly the same things I posted here but there's a little more in depth, hopefully that helps some too. Good luck and Happy Easter,

Revisionist history? it is to laugh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

Or if you prefer a non-wiki site
http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteArchive/w...

Origin isn't the only work by Darwin, and it isn't the only part of Darwinism, do you forget his other work? The Descent of Man? Here's a quote in case you haven't read it.

"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed."

And i've read it and Origins. And lets us the FULL title of it, "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."
'Preservation of Favoured Races"... sounds like something Hitler would have liked.

Okay, here are a couple more verses that pertain to this, i should hopefuly have something more for you later.

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

So if God is known from the creation around him, all around the world can seek him, and if they seek him with all their heart, they will find him, and find salvation in Jesus, even though they may not know his name.

and Genesis 18:25 "Far be it from You to do such a thing as this, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous should be as the wicked; far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

Jesus sees the heart, he knows which of those that didn't hear the gospel were truely seeking Him, and he will show them mercy (or not) accordingly.

Okay, I don't have time right now to finish looking up and gathering all the verses I was going to, I'll post them after work. the jist of what i'm saying is that A: the only guaranteed way to heaven is through Christ Jesus. and B: However, Who is saved and who isn't saved is up to Jesus, and He will decided about those who never heard the gospel, or died before Jesus' ressurection.

Once this is established you need to go back to the gospels, to the crucifixtion. Jesus saves the thief even though the theif hadn't been baptised, wasn't a disciple, etc. Then read Isiah 52:10 "The LORD will lay bare his holy arm
in the sight of all the nations,
and all the ends of the earth will see
the salvation of our God."

and Jonah 2:9 "... Salvation comes from the LORD."

Oy, sorry its taking so long to finish this, tyring to post between calls at work, busy day.

You have to start with the Bible. Remember that God is triune, three in one (a confusing concept, I use the water analogy, Water, Ice, and steam are all H2O, but in different forms). All three parts of God were present from the begining.

Start with John 1: "In the beginning was the Word..." It explains that Jesus is the Word of God and there from the begining.

Genesis 1:1 Mentions God the Father. 1:2 the holy sprit (and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.) 1:3 brings in Jesus, "And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light." Jesus is the Word, seen in God Speaking. Skip ahead to the Fall. We see God punishing Man, Woman, and the Serpent for sinning. Look at the curse on the serpent. It contains the first Prophecy in the Bible. It refers to the coming of Christ and salvation, Gen 3:15 "And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."

As for those who haven't heard the gospel, there are a few things to consider. One, is that God's quality is known by the works of of his hand. By creation itself, we know there is a creator, so any person out there in any tribe that hasn't heard the gospel, still knows that there is more to life then what they see. Two, God can save those whom he wishes to save. Consider the theif on the cross next to Jesus, who as granted salvation even tho he was not baptized, etc. God sees the heart. He will see those that never heard the Good News, he will see how they tried to live, and he will judge from there however he shall. Three, this argument should be a call to all of us Christians to follow Jesus' command to take the good news to all people of all nations.

Thus he gave the law. The law, as anyone who has read the books of the Law can tell you, is impossible for any mere man to uphold. This is to show us how far we have fallen from the standard God wants us to live to, and so we would understand the level of sacrifice required. God sent Jesus as the fullfillment of the Law, so that we would have access to salvation if we want it. In accepting salvation we are given a promise of a return to world without the pain, death, and suffering of Sin. This is the hope and peace that pass all understanding, that the trails of this world are only temporary, that beyond the dark vale of this world lies a brighter shore.

The reason there is evil in the world, that bad things happen, comes down to choice. It started with Adam and Eve. they made they choice to break the one rule that God had set, do not eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. they chose to sin, and by that sin death and suffering entered the world. As humans we are each presented with the choice of obeying God's commands or rejecting them. At some point, each and every one of us make the choice to sin. This is not to say that everything bad that happens happens because of a specific sin that we commited, but because of sin itself. God allows bad things to happend because humanity chose long ago, and continues to chose, to go their own way. But God is a loving God. He doesn't want us to be slaves to sin and death.