Now you are getting there, most clergy whether, protestant, catholic, baptist etc are Masons, so are initiated into the higher meanings of the Bible....Your way is how i started myself, that is until i met Pythagoras and Plato's works, then i understood there were other ways to read the Bible and that it was about initiation....Once i took that step then a whole new world opened and a whole new Bible, you see everything has a beginning and end, the Alpha and Omega......So the Bible starts with God bringing light, light is the first idea, the first thing formed, so it is to light we are drawn....It ends with the Apocalypse of Revelations, so just as we have people believing something is going to happen in 2012 and the Mayan and Book of Revelations both agree on this....Revelations will be enacted in the morning sky 21st December 2012 as viewed from the Garden of Eden( my main source are Summerian clay tablets from 4000 BCE and there it is called " The Epic of Kharsag") All of the imagery of Revelations will be unfolded in the morning sky as the sun rises in Ophiuchus( The Fisher King) the planets line up once more into the spear of Longinus( philosopher to Queen Zenobia) and this time the Virgin(Virgo) is pierced in the left breast, this is the wheel of St Catherine( in reality Hypatia of Alexandria Pythagorean philosopher) the Celestial and Galactic wheels coming together to complete a galactic cycle of 26,000 years, this is the secret of masonry and the Bible.....Ever wondered why 72,,,,144,,, 40,,,,all play a significant role in the Bible?? They are all to do with the movement of the Heavens, my reason for disliking all religions is that the clergy with the upper classes are all initiated whilst the profane( that is you and i) are given scraps to feed on.....

You are putting words into my mouth that i never uttered, were did i say the Bible is worthless?? I understand the Bible very well, i just do not look at it as a historical document, i read the Bible with Gematria, analogy, and symbolism.....Take David, you more than likely look upon him as an historical figure, well at the time of David in Jerusalem, the archaeological record shows it to be a town of mud brick huts, so if we look at the etymological origins, we can see in India a Dravid is a priest in welsh Gaelic Der-Wydd is a superior priest, so the term David is not a proper name but a title.....Take Soloman again when we look at the Gaelic, it comes from the Salmon of Knowledge a story way older than the Bible and again a title not a proper name....You should look at the scientific evidence of the DNA of King Tutankamen, it shows he was from Ireland/Scotland, King Menes, first king of unified Egypt is buried in County Tyrone, Queen Scotia ( gave her name to Nova Scotia and Scotland) daughter of Akenaton, is buried in County Kerry Ireland,,, were do you think Mac aBees, comes from???
The Bible was created by Pythagorus in Babylon circa 500 BCE from ancient Celtic tales....

You need to take a history lesson, have you heard of the St Bartholomew's massacre?? You also prove my point about the shadow side not being addressed, with your comments on the witches....what about the false witch trail at Salem??? You say there is nothing in the new testament for people to be persecuted well that is what your religion does and murdered people in the billions....as all christians you project your shadow outwards, by your comments on homosexuals and women this is quiet clear.....you need some shadowplay....

The basic philosophy is not the problem it is the one sidedness of Christianity, that does not deal with its shadow side so therefore projects it onto anyone who disagrees or does not fit, ie women, witches, homosexuals, heretics( that is anyone who disagrees with doctrine..)etc etc....Christianity has caused more wars and murdered more men, women and children than Hitler and Stalin combined.....All the nonsense you quote has no relevance to what has been done in your jesus name.....

@rhinotherith, for a start to me Jesus is a myth created by Emperor Constantine, there is not one shred of historical evidence that you can produce...So you going off on one, rabbiting about a Gospel that was created way after the date, he was supposed to live, is irrelevant... 125CE is the oldest FRAGMENT, and small it is too, and nowhere does it say this is the Gospel of John, as it was found in Egypt it was most probably used in a Gnostic initiation....So instead of the verbiage, just show one piece of evidence that ya man JC existed....Because it does not matter one iota all the quotation from the Bible, i only deal in historical evidence, and if the blind want to carry on leading the blind work away......

Never seen or read any David Icke..The basic philosophy is not the problem it is the one sidedness of Christianity, that does not deal with its shadow side so therefore projects it onto anyone who disagrees or does not fit, ie women, witches, homosexuals, heretics( that is anyone who disagrees with doctrine..)etc etc

There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that anyone called Jesus of Nazareth existed, Nazareth did not exist, all there was on the opposite hill top was a Platonic Academy, Plato like Pythagorus wrote in parables....The earliest fragment is from 125 CE and that is John's Gospel, which is about initiation, that is why John the Evangelist is revered by Scottish Freemasons...An example is John 3:3 "I tell you the truth, no-one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again," this is talking about the third degree, were a symbolic death and rebirth takes place, just like Lazarus.....

Never seen or read any David Icke..The basic philosophy is not the problem it is the one sidedness of Christianity, that does not deal with its shadow side so therefore projects it onto anyone who disagrees or does not fit, ie women, witches, homosexuals, heretics( that is anyone who disagrees with doctrine..)etc etc
the only philosophy to respond to is love, and then an understanding of Pythagorean philosophy, that is the soul is immortal, that all this nonsense of heaven and hell is just instilling fear....

Paul never existed, he was a creation, the only philosopher allowed into Rome, in 66 CE, was Apollonius of Tyana, who trained at the Stoic school of philosophy at Tarsus, all Pauls writings are Apollonius of Tyana...You should read Philostratus " Life of Apollonius of Tyana" the only historical personage to fit the profile, to use and turn into this composite god, it was all created for control....

Everything from the burning bush, building of Solomons temple, Noahs Ark etc etc are used in Masonic rites and rituals ( see Duncans Masonic) this should show us that there is something very ancient in these myths.....Let us look at Moses, now only someone in Babylon would have known the story of King Sargon, this is the whole bases of the Moses myth, his story is Moses story, add an Egyptian pharaoh and you get the composite...So when the Emperor Constantine realized that his empire was disintegrating, he turned to his hero Alexander the Great, now when he conquered Egypt he needed something to keep the people under control, so he took the Apis bull and Osiris, put them together and he then had Serapis,a composite god....So Constantine took Jesus ben Pantira lived circa 500BCE (Talmud) and Apollonius of Tyana around the first century, funnily when Nero expelled the philosophers in 66AD when your man Paul ( Apoll, Pol, Paul...) was supposed to be in Rome, Nero would only see one man and that was Apollonius, also strange that he studied with the Stoic philosophers at Tarsus, this is all historical and is well recorded....Whilst the myth of the Jesus and Mary is all based on as above so below....Jesus is the sun, Mary Magdelene the moon, this is why there are 14 stations of the cross, it is the movement from the new moon to the full moon14 days=14 stations...It is all down to the journey of Hercules( son of a god and mortal woman) Now all my calculations are based as viewed from the Garden of Eden, which is here in France......Now in 10,500 BCE Hercules the constellation was high in the north-west sky, now as we turn the clock through the years down to 500 BCE, we see him move around and down until 500BCE his foot touches the Pyranees, just at the same time in Greece Pindar is writing the trials of Hercules, then when the son of man hits earth 0, we have the myth come to earth....

.So we have a beginning in the Garden and now that i have cracked the Book of Revelations, all the symbology of that book will be enacted in the morning sky here above the Garden, so the alpha and omega complete their cycle....On that day the spear of Longinus re-appears, this is the lining up of the planets and this time it is Virgo who is pierced in the left breast, this is why all buildings in Washington DC are lined to Virgo....
We need to look to Philo of Alexandria, another initiate, writing in the first century BCE, he says if you want to understand scripture we need to look for mistakes and repetitions.....Now Luke, is the big problem because there is no historical record but we have the gospel of Marcion, which is exactly the same as Luke, if there is any reason for doubt, then a case is not proved....Acts of the Apostles, AA, now i use the King James Bible because i know that Francis Bacon( the creator of the one act plays of modern masonry) worked on it...AA also Ancient and Accepted Rite, Arcadian Academy etc. So if we look at Acts 7: 9-17 here we have the story of Jacob and the tomb at Shecham which it says Abraham bought, this is a mistake as everyone knows he bought his at Hebron, but these guys did not make mistakes so what is it telling us....?? Well the story leads into the stoning of the first martyr, now when i was a child i always thought there were two Jesus, the violent money table destroyer and sword bringer then we have the Sermon on the Mount Jesus all gentle and mild, the meek shall inherit the earth, well either he was a schizophreniac or a composite creation....So Stephen funnily suffered the same fate as Jesus ben Pantira who was stoned to death for wanting to give the secrets of initiation to everyone....If we move then to Acts 17:17( the year Masonry came out of the shadows) we have the story of Paul ( Apollonius) confronting the very same Stoic philosophy that Apollonius was trained in at Tarsus( historical reality, not myth) here is the meeting with the Areopagus, the very same name Francis Bacon, Doctor John Dee, Walter Raleigh etc chose as their name for when they created Shakespeare, Michel de Montaigne, Miguel Cervantes( killed of the same day as Shakey spear) Johannes Andreass all composites in the way of Jesus....
This is a small segment from a book i am writing, all historically provable unlike the myth of Jesus and Mary( unless you look up, that is why Leonardo shows John the Baptist smiling with his finger pointing upwards)