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12 years ago @ The Blazing Center - Do We Expect The Mirac... · 1 reply · +2 points

How do you guard against "false expectations" then?
How do you have proper miraculous expectations without falling into the "name it and claim it" camp?

13 years ago @ Ron Edmondson - 3 Suggestions for When... · 0 replies · +1 points

Right. And I don't want to be argumentative either.
You are the first person to give me any scripture at all.
I know that if I search for the term "inner voice" in the Bible that it does not show up. Just like how the work "trinity" is not in the Bible either. But there are Bible verses that show the God is 3-in-1.

I understand your point on Romans 8 and would not disagree with you on what you are saying. Thank you for that.

Thanks for your time.
God bless.

13 years ago @ Ron Edmondson - 3 Suggestions for When... · 2 replies · +1 points

When it comes to faith and practice, I do rely on what the Bible says. I try not to add to it.
I'm open to God speaking to me however he chooses.
I understand that the Spirit led God's people in Acts, however I don't see how that would be equal to an "inner voice".
Yes, God has used amazing ways to communicate to use, from donkeys to angels to burning bushes.
God can communicate how God wants to.

The thing is, I did read that book about 10 years ago. It left me more confused than clear, and I've been seeking answers and direction ever since.
What I never get when I ask my question is a clear answer. It's always what you have done too: "go read this book." Or something like that.

Are there really no Bible verse on God talking to us with an inner voice?
Are you conceding that the Bible does not talk about "inner voices" from God?
This should be a yes or no question, or maybe my question isn't clear.

13 years ago @ Ron Edmondson - 10 Lies Men Believe · 1 reply · +1 points

"I can’t be honest about that" is one I can identify with too... Very challenging.

13 years ago @ Ron Edmondson - 3 Suggestions for When... · 4 replies · +1 points

I've been thinking a lot about this in the past week and something keeps bugging me.

You say: "I've also heard HIm [sic] through an inner voice."

Do you know of anyone in the Bible that would describe God talking to them through an inner voice, or even anyone in church history that would describe talking to them through an inner voice?
I can't find any, and it seems like a new invention of how God talks to His people in the past 100 years or so.

Saying "I couldn't describe that to you...I just know, because of my relationship with God, that it was God," seem very subjective and leaves no room for any correction if what you heard was possibly not from God.
You might believe that the "inner voice" was from God, but how could know that? What if I don't believe you?
Why do you think God would want to speak to us today in such a subjective manner?

13 years ago @ Ron Edmondson - 3 Suggestions for When... · 5 replies · +1 points

Thank you. That does clarify what you are saying a bit.
God Bless.

13 years ago @ Ron Edmondson - 3 Suggestions for When... · 7 replies · +1 points

Maybe I'm taking this deeper because I have Christian friends who use the Eli/Samuel text all the time to show how we need to "slow down and listen to God."
But when I press them on why that is the application of the text, they usually retreat and say what you have said; "that's not what I'm intending to say".
I also have friends that use this text so show how we need to practice hearing God's voice. But this text has nothing to do with practicing.

Maybe I'm trying to get at what you are intending to say.
Or, why used this text to say "God still speaks today, on His term of course."
Because I don't think that is the conclusion I would have drawn from what you originally stated.

But let me ask again, how are you defining "listening"? What are you listening to?
I hear people say that all the time; "We need to listen to what God is saying."
And I have no idea, outside of reading the Bible, what "listening to God" even means or what that looks like.
I honestly would like to know; what are you listening to?

(thank you for taking the time to interact with me. I appreciate it as I struggle to understand.)

13 years ago @ Ron Edmondson - 3 Suggestions for When... · 9 replies · +1 points

But how are you defining "hearing" and "listening"?
I'm sure we'd both agree that if we want to know who God is, we need to pause long enough to read and study our Bibles and pray that the Holy Spirit will help us with understanding what we read.

But outside of that, what is "hearing" or "listening"?
Is it audibly? Visions? Dreams? I don't know of any example OT or NT where there person intentionally could cause God to speak to them audibly, give them a vision, or have a dream. God did those things whether they were ready or not.

In other words, what am I listening for?
Because the scripture you are using above is Eli listening to God's audible voice. And if you are saying that you are not explaining how to hear God's audible voice, then what am I listening for? Is it an inner voice? If it's just an inner voice, can you show me in scripture where I am to listen to an inner voice?

13 years ago @ Ron Edmondson - 3 Suggestions for When... · 11 replies · +1 points

I'm sorry. But this doesn't make any sense to apply it me today.
Samuel was a kid.
Eli was the older mentor.
Samuel thought Eli was speaking to him from the other room.
Eli figured out it was God wanting to audibly talk to Eli.
This historical event is not a "how to hear from God" text.
Just like Jonah is not a "how to live inside a whale" text.

So are you saying somehow that if I lay still and tell God "here I am, ready to listen," God will audibly speak to me?
I'm not sure that is the application that can be drawn from this historical text.

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