Which China Are You Writing About?

I'm sorry, aren't you writing about the Communist Chinese totalitarian government with 1000 Laogai concentration camps and violent police oppression of Christians, Muslims, and Falun Dafa?

Or are you writing about Taiwan?

Because I can't imagine people praising Communist China's Jewish studies courses in the Forward and ignoring Communist China's incredible oppression against freedom of religion for others. So I can only assume you are writing about Taiwan, right?

Because of political failures elsewhere, some in the right have chosen to try to convert those who objected to the security and human rights issues of violent jihad and religious extremist views into an ant-Islam campaign. At one point, the "anti-jihad" community provided tips to the police about those Islamic extremists that made threats. Now, members of the "anti-Islam" extremist campaigns are physically attacking police officers with bricks, smashing businesses in UK, some are involved in arson and vandalism in the US, and too many members of the "anti-Islam" extremist campaign see nothing wrong with violence for their views.

On the comments on this web page, I have seen people call for shooting Muslim imams, those praising use of bricks against police. On Pamela Gellers' SIOA Facebook site there is an SIOA supporter that writes "the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim." And we see this kind of thing routinely now in the public, on the Internet, we have radio broadcasters calling for killing Muslims, etc.

Yet unbelievably the absurd point of this article is to debate whether Muslims curse Christians and Jews or not, with posters that regularly look the other way, when right before their eyes there are non-Muslims that not only curse Muslims, but also seek to deny their human rights, and even promote violence, including those that do commit violence.

Now of course there is no discussion by Mr. Spencer as to why SIOA keeps promoting the EDL and even inviting EDL to its protests, when EDL members do a lot more than "curse" Muslims, but openly engage in violence against them, the police, and other members of British society.

Ultimately, the "anti-Islam" extremists are becoming what they claim they hate.

On this very web site in the comments here, you can see EDL terrorists who are celebrated - just like violent jihadists are celebrated elsewhere. What does that tell you?

The anti-jihad movement has been perverted into a full-fledged anti-Islam movement that seeks to undermine the very human rights that we sought to defend. We can't even get people to condemn anti-Islam terrorism now by the EDL thugs - that shows how the anti-Islam extremists are quickly becoming the mirror image of the Islamic extremists they claim to fight.

Actually it shows an Arab Festival. And yes of course, I object to what the people in Dearborn did. I understand that the Acts 17 group is viewed by them as "troublemakers." Anyone who does public events knows that to be effective you need to coordinate with security, police, etc. at public events where they have to manage crowd control.

Just like when I dealt with the DC police when challenging Hamas in a counterprotest to a group against Israel at the Israeli embassy. I let them know in advance, had my assembly permit, and followed the rules. But that said, I also support freedom of speech for all individuals and it was clear that the Dearborn security overreacted to the Acts 17 speakers, and also did so again this year.

I have figured out which side is which. I am on the side of human rights for all people, consistently and without question. I am on the side of rejecting violence and hate. It doesn't matter if it comes from left or right, Muslim or non-Muslim, or any other identity group.

That is what it means to be an American. That is really standing up for the truths that we find self-evident.

Which side are you on?

I know that I am NOT on ***THIS*** side (see video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxdTEVzzr_s

First of all, why do you think I am "left-wing"? Because I oppose hate and violence? Is that somehow the purvey of the left, now, you think?

Of course, I oppose those throwing stones and worse against Israelis and violence elsewhere. Moreover, I have publicly protested against Hamas and other groups promoting violence.

Why is it "hard" to oppose the behavior of the EDL?
I suggest you look at this video once again - is this the side you are supporting? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxdTEVzzr_s

The real question is HOW can the SIOA and Ms. Geller stay silent on this? How can they continue to support the EDL?

Yes she states "I just refuse to accept accounts of EDL misdeeds from sources that have been proven in the past to have lied about EDL activities."

Like right wing media such as?
Sky News Report: http://bit.ly/bbCkhn
Daily Mail Report: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1263276/E...
Daily Telegraph Report: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigratio...

Or the Leicester News??? http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Surge-...

Or the Birmingham Mail???
Birmingham Mail Report: http://bit.ly/am7TLg

Or the UK Sun???
UK Sun Report: http://bit.ly/djG4Po

Or the UK Community Security Trust??? http://thecst.org.uk/blog/?p=1602

Or does Ms. Geller think they are all part of one big conspiracy against the EDL, and everyone is making up news stories, videos, and working together in one giant plot to create artificial photographs, film, audio about the EDL?

How many attacks on police, on the public, and reports of terrorist plots by the EDL need to be reported before Ms. Geller rethinks promoting the EDL organization?

ApolloSpeaks writes: "getting out of hand now and then with brick throwing and foul words is understandable"

So you support violent, criminal attacks on the police and on innocent civilians?

Then you have clarified your position, in effect, you support terrorism - just when it suits your political views.

Nonsense.

The reports from right-wing Sky News and the Daily Mail are not "pre-cooked videos."

Sky News Report: http://bit.ly/bbCkhn
Daily Mail Report: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1263276/E...

Nor is the report by the Leicester local news that confirms EDL protester attack on a restaurant. http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news/Surge-...

Let me quote:
"Before they were rounded up by police a group of EDL supporters attacked the Big John's fast food restaurant, in Humberstone Road. Usman Ali, area manager for the chain, said: 'They smashed four windows and came inside the shop and frightened our customers.' Witness Imtiaz Noor Mohammed, 21, of North Evington, said: 'I was with friends getting something to eat.' 'People saw them coming and someone locked the door. They smashed some windows and one of the EDL people kicked the door open and stood there threatening people.'"

By the way, lets see that video once again - right? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxdTEVzzr_s

I have been to UK and have seen "Big John's restaurant." They are like a British version of McDonalds and serve fast food, including fish and chips.

There are not "some neo-Nazis" linked to the EDL, the EDL leader can't speak without the "F-word" every other sentence. The EDL protesters attacking news media, police, restaurants are hardly a few fringe, but have been part of nearly every EDL protest.

Those are the inconvenient facts that the MSM won't report on the SIOA Leader Pamela Geller's promotion of them. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2...

Those are also inconvenient facts that you won't address as well. But the news media, including the right-wing news media in the UK, will continue to address it over and over. Eventually someone in the U.S. news media will catch on.

If "they are **** Nazis," as you say - what is the SIOA doing inviting them to their protests and promoting them as an organization? I think that is an important part of the news story NOT addressed by either the MSM or the SIOA.

EDL protesters break police officers legs, throw bricks and smoke bombs at police, terrorize elderly, and smash windows at restaurants - and not even a pause in support of the EDL by the SIOA, let alone a condemnation.

ApolloSpeaks - is it a "rational Islamophobia" that has the EDL protesters throwing bricks and smoke bombs at the police? Is it a "rational Islamophobia" that has the EDL protesters smashing restaurant windows, terrorizing women and children? is it a "rational Islamophobia" that has the EDL protesters smashing the windows of news media vans like the right-wing Sky News? Is it a "rational Islamophobia" that has the EDL leader and protesters that can only speak using the "F" word every other sentence?