I agree with Patrick. Nice name, by the way.

I love your take on it, Lori. Dalrock wrote about it as well, though in a less charitable way on his "Women are innately good" post from 2012. You are both very much on point. In fact, I think you actually commented on that post.

Lori you are one of a handful of trustworthy women in Christ who seek to restore order to the mess that churchian teaching and counseling has done to Christian couples.

While I truly believe that most Titus 2 women are either dead, have been abducted by aliens, or are being silenced by the F.l...and that there are zero Proverbs 31 women living today, I give you a nod on being faithful to the Titus 2 call.

I was thinking... about the Bill Cosby mess and the first Bill Cosby show. What do you think of his portrayal as a Father? I think that he commanded a great deal of respect from the children and was definitely respected as an authority figure among his peers and his adult friends.

However, as I think back, I would be inclined to say even though he did supplicate to Claire, she, unlike most women (on TV and in real life) didn't usurp or attempt to covertly emasculate him. This was partly due to the fact that he had no issues being self-deprecating as, his humor made him attractive, outside of the physical sense - which I'd have to say he wasn't considered so by most women.

So on one hand, I think it's okay if the kids and moms laugh at Dad, if Dad is laughing along. But when the rubber meets the road, respect had surely better be given unconditionally, or there will (should) be consequence. This is what is lacking in the narrative of western society, and has a stronghold on Christian families and church teaching.

The challenge to assert godly (Biblically ordained) leadership and frame is Sisyphean indeed, because not only aren't the women trying to hear it, their Pastor (if he is of the Driscollean ethic) isn't either.

And no single man, who seeks to be a devout godly leader wants to be accused of "abuse" just because he wants his household to be one that has a mission to be obedient to the Word?

Papa Berenstain (devout godly head of household) bangs on the table, and demands that his family be orderly and respectful according to the word = ABUSE.