did you actually watch that Steve? what is your objection to what he says?

whose research is your opinion based on?

you're not really on topic, so I won't go beyond saying I don't support the ETS as it stands, I don't think it will be effective and I don't really care what Al Gore says or does.

run along now, troll. no food for you here

"A tad more convincing than your vague recollections."

depends who you are. some people prefer flaky recollections to actual facts. pollination is over done, dude, it's so last century...

"this is getting tedious"

agreed.

"Humans come first."

humans cannot live without a biosphere. it's not just pretty stuff to look at. if there is large-scale extinction it will impact heavily on our ability as a species to feed ourselves and will result in some very major climate changes where ecosystems have significant effects on climate.

I can see you won't be convinced and I'm not going to continue to try (frankly, talking to a log would be less a waste of my time) but I think you should try and think about biodiversity not as some optional extra that we can discard without consequence but what it really is: the web of interactions which allowed humans to evolve and thrive over millions of years (including converting our very atmosphere and climate to current conditions) and which we still depend upon for our very lives.

"The key lies in better communication"

It is clear that a lot of people do not want to engage in communication or accept any message that suggests their lifestyle may have to change.

"We need another way gentlemen."

I'm all ears!!

I'm just trying to work out why you can't see the connection between yourself and the rest of life on the planet beyond it being nice to look at.

do you eat any foods derived from plants or animals? do you wear any plant or animal fibres? or leather? do you breathe oxygen?

I just want to understand what you're trying to say. to me it seems like you think that our way of life can sustain a huge loss of biodiversity without changing despite the fact that our way of life is dependent on that biodiversity. you have said nothing to support your argument except that you don't 'feel' any connection with nature. is there any more to it than that?

"You read like some of the Mercury Mom's in the States who think Vaccinations contributed to their childs Autism."

What do you want me to say? I just told you I haven't drawn a conclusion. See below where I pasted a link to an article suggesting pesticides are not the cause. All I'm saying is that bees are a very crucial node in our ecosystems and we should really pay attention when the people who cultivate and study them start sounding the alarm.

"In short more information is required to determine the extent of the problem. "

I agree.

"It can't be as bad as all that though as we would probably have heard of mass crop failure due to lack of pollination given the fact that it has been happening for a few years now."

Excellent reasoning. If it hasn't already happened it can't possibly happen, right? And we certainly shouldn't do anything until the crops actually fail...

are you telling me you think you're independent of the biosphere? if not, why do you think we can ignore major changes occurring in it?

you really are failing to bring any kind of reasonable argument for your stance.