dankimwriter

dankimwriter

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13 years ago @ http://perfectlyawfulu... - Too Perfect Tuesdays -... · 0 replies · +1 points

My point is not about the fact that "disordered" people from time to time JADE either. I'm only presenting the psychology behind why so many people JADE and it is NOT because they are trying to "manipulate," "guilt," "fiercely oppose," "spoiling for a fight" as you suggest (they just want to be heard too but they just happen to not know how to express their thoughts or feelings in a healthier way). I do understand the point of your blog post and the message you are trying to say. But it appears to me that it is very one-sided and it promotes being insensitive to others. I prefer the option where everyone wins: do what you want to do while being sensitive to the needs of others.

13 years ago @ http://perfectlyawfulu... - Too Perfect Tuesdays -... · 2 replies · +1 points

How can you assume that the other person is "arguing in circles, trying to frantically manipulate or guilt her out of doing what s/he needs to do."? Perhaps the other person is just hoping so desperately to be heard. When his first attempt does not get through, he tries a second attempt, maybe a third attempt. But you are quick to judge that those attempts are aimed at manipulating people.

If we are to talk about conditioning, it appears that you promote punishment instead of positive reinforcement. I believe the alternative of letting the JADE-er know that they do not have to JADE to be heard and for them to experience that kind of relief for themselves is a very powerful form of positive reinforcement.
My recent post The Loneliness of the Gifted and Genius

13 years ago @ http://perfectlyawfulu... - Too Perfect Tuesdays -... · 4 replies · +2 points

Although I do agree with you that non-OCPDers should not have to Justify-Argue-Defend-Explain, I have to disagree with the way your example removes the OCPDer's opportunity to use the only method he/she knows how to be heard. OCPDers JADE as a response to having been invalidated for so much of their life. How would you feel if your loved one stopped you from using the only method you know how to be heard (even if it's a poor method)? Would it not be better to let them use that method and then later tell them that they do not have to use that method with you?
My recent post The Loneliness of the Gifted and Genius