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14 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - TSA: Some gov\'t offic... · 0 replies · +5 points
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14 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Schools superintendent... · 1 reply · +1 points
You state: I personally don't believe that some people are born dumb and some smart.
That sounds like a no variance situation to me. As for the other I will again quote myself from earlier:
We are not talking about uneducated to educated, we are talking educated to genius area. All populations benefit from increasing the education of it's people to 100%.
This means I believe everyone having an education will increase the "mean" intelligence level of the population. From their you have to drill down and make distinctions between who is intelligent and who is not and stop wasting time teaching people who don't have the right parts to begin with. No not everyone can become Tesla with hard work. A Geo Metro won't ever beat a Dodge Viper, regardless of what you do to it. How can you argue against genetic predisposition of intelligence when there is evidence everywhere?
14 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - A Walmart in Gresham? ... · 1 reply · 0 points
14 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Schools superintendent... · 3 replies · +1 points
It's can be thought of as somewhat conjecture at this point but as mentioned by observing the world around you, you can see there is certainly variety that can only come from one's brain. The fact that mentally handicap people exists is a flaw in the argument that everyone is the same, that kind of thinking leads people with an average intellect to believe it was their fault they didn't work hard enough which ultimately is untrue.
Call it pessimistic, condensing, or whatever you want, but you can't call it untrue.
14 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Schools superintendent... · 5 replies · +1 points
I do appreciate the Hitler reference, and I certainly think it's apt to bring up. This kind of thought process has allowed deviants to make certain moral hurdles a lot less challenging and certainly should be pointed out when first seen.
However it doesn't change that people are born differently, have different lifestyle, circumstances, and body parts which ultimately dictate their lives. Certainly their are outliers, just like Cuba investing 18% in public education, but these shouldn't be seen as the bar we set all people to.
14 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Schools superintendent... · 7 replies · +2 points
You state: I personally don't believe that some people are born dumb and some smart.
So if we were to conclude what you are talking about is that all of us given opportunity can be a Tesla? This is again that you stated people aren't born either way, smart or dumb.
Baring ******s, and people with learning disabilities I would have to disagree. If anything nature has been random in humans as well as it's other species. Some trees just grow faster and are then breed, some dogs just manage to smell better than others. Why does this law stop when applied to humans? Did we somehow evolve into a constant?
Now I agree there is certainly a percentage to be gained teaching the masses but its going to be marginal at best. Moving the bar will just change where the diffusion starts. Adding more money by ratio which percent is, doesn't appear to do much. An outliers but Cuba reigns in at 18% and look what they produce?
Humans are born in variety of dumb to genius and public education accounts for it with their grading system, of which moving the bar only will effect the minority population effecting do nothing to population as a whole. We are not talking about uneducated to educated, we are talking educated to genius area. All populations benefit from increasing the education of it's people to 100%.
14 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Schools superintendent... · 9 replies · +1 points
I didn't find any numbers for graduated professional in the fields you speaking of in foreign countries (china just refuses surveys). It seems this number is ethereal and thrown around just in debate with no real firm backing. This isn't to say that perhaps we aren't on par in that way but then again we are describing probably a few percent difference.
My arguement was more toward the fact that we just don't account for the majority growth and the narrowing genius minority. Over time regardless public education systems will drop. Anything above 60% is a passing grade, so consider that at least 60% of your population will pass some of the classes with that grade, over time you have 60% be the majority.
In japan ( I'm unaware of how China does) 60% isn't a passing grade, it's not passing till 75%. What this effectively has done is move the majority of their population into no-pass in order to cull out even less but more quality graduates. There is not more of them, there is actually less in comparison of numbers, and there is a huge drop in quality of life for the other percentages. Suicide is very high.
In conclusion, raising the bar, or raising the money does not equal a smarter population. What I made mention before it's what type of brain you have in you. To make a car analogy you can't put a nice 2009 Dodge Viper motor in a Geo Metro and expect to race everyone down at PIR. Nor will raising the standards at PIR of who can race fix the Geo Metro's Motor Linkage problem.
14 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - A Walmart in Gresham? ... · 3 replies · -1 points
As for your example of a successful business owner, it's complete bull that your just making up off the top of your head. I have read the studies, seen the impact and know without a doubt the reality of the situation. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing I just want people to get the facts straight, Walmart isn't creating more jobs, nor should a well run highly optimized free market corporation should. It's a perfect example of what a capitalistic market driven by demand will produce. It will mean less jobs because it's been made with bottom line profit in mind, labor costs and if you can get it the cheapest possible, with the fewest possible you will make more money in the end. Once again Walmart doesn't not create jobs it actually has a negative impact and is built that way.
14 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - A Walmart in Gresham? ... · 0 replies · +2 points
Now my point to the original post was that you can't say "Walmart brings jobs to the community" because it doesn't. On average a community will lose more jobs than Walmart makes, and those jobs are generally of lesser quality. END OF STORY.
14 years ago @ KATU - Portland, OR - Schools superintendent... · 5 replies · +4 points