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14 years ago @ Big Government - Statement Regarding CNN · 1 reply · -1 points
14 years ago @ Big Government - Statement Regarding CNN · 4 replies · 0 points
So, Roger, as you see, James and Ben go way back. Collaborators.
14 years ago @ Big Government - Statement Regarding CNN · 6 replies · -1 points
PP2--No, that's not O'Keefe's channel. He's veritasvisuals on YouTube. And, um, that's not actually James O'Keefe in the video you've linked. That's a parody video making fun of him, utilizing footage of some random slightly O'Keefish dude. I believe--I only watched a few seconds.
Roger. Serious. He and Ben Wetmore did the video. Here, let me be your Google monkey: http://www.youtube.com/user/veritasvisuals#p/u/23...
14 years ago @ Big Government - Statement Regarding CNN · 8 replies · -1 points
If you are such a defender of his, why do you not know like nothing about the man?
14 years ago @ Big Government - Statement Regarding CNN · 10 replies · -1 points
14 years ago @ Big Government - Statement Regarding CNN · 1 reply · 0 points
Your second paragraph: No. In California there was an Acorn employee who claimed to have killed her husband and there was a second Acorn employee who called the police. Two different employees. Two different offices. Two different cities, in fact.
Your third paragraph: You and I are in agreement that Acorn had problems. While you, I think, believe that Acorn was thoroughly corrupt, I believe that it was a case of baby and bathwater.
I don't want to discuss fraudulent voter registration in the Midwest because I want to discuss O'Keefe, Giles, and their sting operation, which had nothing to do with the Midwest and almost nothing to do with voter registration.
Did O'Keefe and Giles misrepresent their undercover visits to us, the public? Did they edit to the point where there was no context? Did they out-and-out lie?
Yes, yes, and yes. They can't be trusted.
14 years ago @ Big Government - Statement Regarding CNN · 3 replies · 0 points
You are aware that there were only eight offices visited by the two of them, right? Only a few employees did anything at all.
There was no one employee who called the cops and was bizarre enough to claim she was a murderer. That was three separate offices and three separate people in two separate states.
14 years ago @ Big Government - Statement Regarding CNN · 5 replies · 0 points
Staff did not all have the same reaction. They had wildly different reactions, ranging from actual answers to their questions to telling them that Acorn couldn't help them, to referring them to other agencies (domestic violence shelters, Legal Aid, Program for Torture Victims), to playing along, to calling the cops.
And if employees were fired, why should I _not_ agree that employees were not trained and coached to respond in, uh, the particular way each employee responded in. Why proof do you have?
Actually, I am very doubtful that employee would indeed be trained and coached in how to deal with young couples fleeing pimps and importing teenagers. Seriously. How could any employee code of conduct be expected to cover that possibility?
14 years ago @ Big Government - Statement Regarding CNN · 7 replies · 0 points
Yes, because that's exactly what happened, and exactly how Congress responded, although truthfully, I do not knew if the reports were known to the public at the time Congress responded. The Philly report, yes, but not Vera's action.
If you are saying that this did not happen, you are accusing three police detectives (one American, two Mexican) of lying and at least one phone company of falsifying records. Please tell me where in your grand conspiracy theory Verizon Wireless has incentive to lie to aid Acorn.
14 years ago @ Big Government - Statement Regarding CNN · 1 reply · +1 points
But adieu. I shall leave you with a second link, which no doubt you will not read.
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/...
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