Yes, screw the "pundits" ...you know, like Ken Schram is.

This post of his is just dripping with irony. He's a friggen "pundit" for god's sake!

Well, your comment tells me that you're a frigging moron!

:-)

Okay...your government is lying to you, doing things that result in the death of your own children and innocent men, women and children around the world, and because they don't want you to know this, and so "classify" the information, you're okay with this?

This simple-minded viewpoint of yours ignores the reality that if they do something evil, as long as the "classify it", that's okay with you. Nobody should know, and if anybody blows the whistle, they are "guilty" of "espionage".

Wikileaks has nothing to do with revealing information that is truly in the interest of "national security" and Julian Assange has stated this repeatedly in public. They're only about revealing "lies" and "deception" by a government and corporations upon the citizens. The kind of stuff we should know.

It has nothing to do with revealing the location of our submarines or nuclear missile codes, which Wikeleaks have said they would never do.

You're conflating truly important secrets with "lies and deception" about how your tax dollars are spent, and your young citizens are sent of to die for.

Wikileaks stated mission is to do journalism with due diligence, unlike what has become the norm in the American press and elsewhere. To not just claim something, but investigate it's veracity, and only publish it if it can be done so with verifiable, document-able facts and evidence. That's there very point. That's what they do. It's about truth, not innuendo, "manipulated" or "censored" materials, but the actual documents at face value.

Well, you're obviously uninformed on what Wikeleaks is devoted to doing...has been doing. That's real journalism which doesn't just make a claim, but backs it up with documents and verified facts. In fact, they state this clearly on their website as their mission. Perhaps you've not bothered to go look at it and see for yourself.

Yes, as the other respondent has already pointed out, they've released some truly astounding revelations about OUR government lying to us about truly life-and-death issues.

"State of Lincoln" obviously hasn't been keeping up on the very news of this story, but it aimlessly spouting mindless nonsense while knowing very little about the facts of this story.

I've addressed this simple-minded conflation of truly important secrets (for national security) with lies and deception (the only thing Wikileaks has, and says it would release) in my second post below.

According to "Majestic", and apparently those who agreed with his comments:

Truth: moronic!
Transparency in government: moronic!
A free and unrestrained press: moronic!

So I guess, U.S. Constitution: moronic!

You folks might want to see about immigrating to China, where your viewpoints are welcome by that government.

As for this simple-minded viewpoint that everything a government does, no matter how bad, should be kept secret just because they want it to be, well, I've addressed that in detail in my second post below.

It's interesting that people would take issue with the simple statement I made. Unbelievable, how people can't take words at face value, and instead inject all sorts of unrelated thoughts into them.

Nobody has ever said that there aren't "some" things that should be kept secret in the true interest of national security. Even Jullian Assange, in repeated on-camera interviews, has stated and agreed with this. (Read that again).

What Wikileaks is doing has nothing to do with revealing such secrets, only the bad things that governments and corporations are doing, and lying to their citizens about. That is their mission, plain and simple, and it's stated in writing on their site. And, as even our own government officials continue to admit, nothing these people have released rise to the level of essential secrets.

The problem here is that people are conflating the disclosure of truly crucial, national security information - which Wikileaks has not published - with rather low level secrets, which have been "classified" for no other reason than to keep people from knowing that their government is doing, and LYING to them about.

People here have been duped into believing that everything the government lists as "classified" is of a national security interest, when it is not. To the contrary, they want to label just about everything as "classified", so that the citizens of this country do not know what they are doing.

Transparent government does not mean revealing ALL secrets, as some are obviously inherently necessary, rather it's about a government not blatantly lying to its people about its actions; how their tax money is being spent, and why their kids are being sent off to die.

This simple-minded argument that, if it's "classified" nobody should know, is the very problem Wikileaks and others are trying to shed light on.

Let me just pose this question to you folks:

If your government is doing something that is not just screwing you, but killing your own kids, and which they obviously don't want you know about, are you really saying that you don't want to know this, and simply because you believe that if the government wants something secret - even lies - they should be entitled to it?

In terms of the free press an "unrestrained press", that's a concept, of course. As is "truth" and "transparency". These are goals we should aspire to and which a true democracy must aspire to in order to be that democracy.

Are you also saying that, because our current press are nothing more than government subservient stenographers of propaganda, that we should not aspire to change that, as Wikileaks is doing?

In the end, truth, transparency in government, and a free and unrestrained press are the most important things. They are fundamental to a true democracy.