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15 years ago @ Mondoweiss - While the US and Israe... · 0 replies · +1 points

I think the labour ministry's got something going too, those 250,000 'guest' workers from Thailand and the Phillipines need to have something to do :)

15 years ago @ Ethnic Ashkenazim Agai... - [Arutz Sheva] Clinton&... · 0 replies · +1 points

Maybe he won't (convert) but if it helps moderate his views, great!

15 years ago @ Ethnic Ashkenazim Agai... - [Arutz Sheva] Clinton&... · 1 reply · +1 points

So will she be converting?

15 years ago @ Mondoweiss - What does a blockade f... · 0 replies · +1 points

Theodor Herzl supported the transfer idea. Land in Palestine was to be gently expropriated from the Palestinian Arabs and they were to be worked across the border "unbemerkt" (surreptitiously), e.g. by refusing them employment.[103] Herzl's draft of a charter for a Jewish-Ottoman Land Company (JOLC) gave the JOLC the right to obtain land in Palestine by giving its owners comparable land elsewhere in the Ottoman empire. According to Walid Khalidi this indicates Herzl's "bland assumption of the transfer of the Palestinian to make way for the immigrant colonist."[104]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_and_Palestin...

15 years ago @ Mondoweiss - What does a blockade f... · 0 replies · +1 points

IV: The "Concept of Transfer in Zionism"
According to Nur Masalha the concept of 'transfer' was deeply rooted in mainstream Zionism. The debate on the 'idea of transfer' in political Zionism became popular in the later 1980s when the State of Israel declassified documents pertaining to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War period and the so-called New Historians began publishing articles and books based on those documents. Proponents of this theory say that the driving force of the 1948 Palestinian exodus was the Zionist leaders' belief that a Jewish state could not survive with a strong Arab population and that a population transfer would be most beneficial.

15 years ago @ Mondoweiss - What does a blockade f... · 0 replies · +1 points

III: The Peel Commission's plan and the Yishuv's reaction
The idea of population transfer was briefly placed on the Mandate's political agenda in 1937 by the Peel Commission. The commission recommended that Britain should withdraw from Palestine and that the land be partitioned between Jews and Arabs. It called for a "transfer of land and an exchange of population", including the removal of 250,000 Palestinian Arabs from what would become the Jewish state[77], along the lines of the mutual population exchange between the Turkish and Greek populations after the Greco-Turkish War of 1922. According to the plan 'in the last resort' the transfer of Arabs from the Jewish part would be compulsory.[78] The transfer would be voluntary in as far as Arab leaders were required to agree with it, but after that it would be almost inevitable that it would have to be forced upon the population.[79]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_P...

15 years ago @ Mondoweiss - What does a blockade f... · 0 replies · +1 points

II: Israeli historian and former diplomat Shlomo Ben-Ami wrote:
The debate about whether or not the mass exodus of Palestinians was the result of a Zionist design or the inevitable concomitant of war should not ignore the ideological constructs that motivated the Zionist enterprise. The philosophy of transfer was not a marginal, esoteric article in the mindset and thinking of the main leaders of the Yishuv. These ideological constructs provided a legitimate environment for commanders in the field actively to encourage the eviction of the local population even when no precise orders to that effect were issued by the political leaders.[76]

15 years ago @ Mondoweiss - What does a blockade f... · 0 replies · +1 points

I: Origins of the ‘Transfer Idea’
Morris concludes that the idea of transfer was not, in 1947-1949, a new one. He writes:
Many if not most of Zionism's mainstream leaders expressed at least passing support for the idea of transfer during the movement's first decades. True, as the subject was sensitive they did not often or usually state this in public[74].
Morris also concludes that Zionisms aim was "to transform a land which was ‘Arab’ into a ‘Jewish’ state and a Jewish state could not have arisen without a major displacement of Arab population". According to Morris only after Arab resistance emerged did this become a rationale for transfer.[75]
Other authors, including Palestinian writers and Israeli New Historians, have also described this attitude as a prevalent notion in Zionist thinking and as a major factor in the exodus.

15 years ago @ Mondoweiss - What does a blockade f... · 6 replies · +1 points

You know that before you even read them? Cool.
But then, there seems to be a better class of debate and historical truth from Israeli scholars than North American apologists (not that I have any way of knowing what you are)

15 years ago @ Mondoweiss - What does a blockade f... · 8 replies · +1 points

Well that would be poetic justice considering how many Palestinian villages were ploughed over and the inhabitants forced into refugee camps but if you want to connect a rhetorical statement with the eventual outcome then I could come up with lots of statements from Herzl and Ben Gurion that telegraphed what would happen to the Palestinian people.
Do I personally think Israel should be ploughed over and Jews sold into slavery? No, but the only solution now is that all the inhabitants receive equal rights in one state. Will Israel as it is constituted today then be 'destroyed'?
Yes, that'll be good.

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