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God is called Jesus in the bible. You are trying to separate Him from the Father which cannot be done. Let the Bible speak for itself. Isaiah 9:6 \"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.\" Also, Hebrews 1:1-13 \"God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (2) Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; (4) Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. (5) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? (6) And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. (7) And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. (8) But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. (9) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (10) And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: (11) They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; (12) And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. (13) But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?\"
It is obvious by your comments that you don\'t believe that Jesus is God. Any religion that denies that Jesus is the creator of the universe is a false religion.
David Williams - Admin
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If you read the Qu\'ran you will find that Jesus is never called God and Allah is never called the \"I AM\" or Jehovah. In fact, Abraham, the father of both the Jews and the Arabs, left Ur of the Chaldees where Allah was one of the heathen false wanabee \"gods\" that was worshipped there. It is not just an Arab word for God. It is a well known word used for a heathen idol named Allah. A word about the Qu\'ran. It is not a revelation of God. It can\'t be. The Bible is a sealed book and no other writings can possibly come after the last book of the Bible, the book of Revelation. Listen to what this book says about anyone who thinks that they can add to the Bible, Revelation 22:18-19 \"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.\"
I have an online book at the location http://foundationsofmorality.com where you will read that God never demands his will on anyone as the foundation of morality. That is not the Character of God. If that were true, then God could change his will tomorrow and decide that as you said we should disobey the laws of the land, or that we should kill and loot and rape and destroy by chopping heads off as did Mohammed. However, the character of God is a God of love. He taught to love our enemies and to show his love he gave his own life for the world rather than giving his life as a suicide bomber to kill innocent victims. Romans 5:8 \"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.\" You won\'t find that in the Qu\'ran. In fact, the Qu\'ran does not even consider Jesus as God, which he is. The Bible is very clear about Jesus being God. 1 Timothy 3:16 \"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.\" It is obvious in this verse that the writer is talking about Jesus being God. There are many other such verses but let me say that the true God does not choose arbitrarily but he loves all men. He never asks anyone to kill people that refuse to accept him. He teaches what we call disinterested benevolence, or loving someone whether they return that love or not.
I have a friend that was at our house this past week that was a Muslim all her life. She said that she always wanted to know just how to pray because only the men in Islam pray in the mosques. She said that when she met Jesus, she realized that Allah was not really God because a real God would want to have communion with his people and he would want them to love him as he loves them. She says that her whole life has been changed. By the way, do you know how to tell if Mohammed was a true prophet or not? Did he believe that Jesus was God? The Bible says that anyone that calls himself a prophet that says that God (Jehovah or Jesus) did not come in the flesh is not of God. 1 John 4:1-3 \"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.\"
One more thing. The information we posted here is what was written back from someone that lived in a Muslim land.
Sincerely, David Williams - Admin
15 years ago @ Behind the Woodshed - Can a Muslim be a REAL... · 0 replies · +2 points
David Williams - Admin
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I don't fault you but you show your ignorance of who God really is. God was never called Allah in the Bible. His holy name is Jehovah, which the Jews called JHWH. Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
Also, another name for God is "I Am." Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." Of course that was Jesus in the New Testament. John 1:1-5 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God. (3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not." It is further explained in verse 14, where it says, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
I have done a search of the Qu'ran and neither of these words is used in the whoe book. The only time the word Allah is used in the Bible it is used by the Babylonians to describe the Jewish God and they were using the only word they had for God. If you read the Qu'ran you will find that Jesus is never called God and Allah is never called the "I AM" or Jehovah. In fact, Abraham, the father of both the Jews and the Arabs, left Ur of the Chaldees where Allah was one of the heathen false wanabee "gods" that was worshipped there.
A word about the Qu'ran. It is not a revelation of God. It can't be. The Bible is a sealed book and no other writings can possibly come after the last book of the Bible, the book of Revelation. Listen to what this book says about anyone who thinks that they can add to the Bible, Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: (19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
I have an online book at the location <a href="http://foundationsofmorality.com" target="_blank">http://foundationsofmorality.com where you will read that God never demands his will on anyone as the foundation of morality. That is not the Character of God. If that were true, then God could change his will tomorrow and decide that as you said we should disobey the laws of the land, or that we should kill and loot and rape and destroy by chopping heads off as did Mohammed. However, the character of God is a God of love. He taught to love our enemies and to show his love he gave his own life for the world rather than giving his life as a suicide bomber to kill innocent victims. Romans 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
You won't find that in the Qu'ran. In fact, the Qu'ran does not even consider Jesus as God, which he is. The Bible is very clear about Jesus being God. 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." It is obvious in this verse that the writer is talking about Jesus being God. There are many other such verses but let me say that the true God does not choose arbitrarily but he loves all men. He never asks anyone to kill people that refuse to accept him. He teaches what we call disinterested benevolence, or loving someone whether they return that love or not. I have a friend that was at our house this past week that was a Muslim all her life. She said that she always wanted to know just how to pray because only the men in Islam pray in the mosques. She said that when she met Jesus, she realized that Allah was not really God because a real God would want to have communion with his people and he would want them to love him as he loves them. She says that her whole life has been changed.
By the way, do you know how to tell if Mohammed was a true prophet or not? Did he believe that Jesus was God? The Bible says that anyone that calls himself a prophet that says that God (Jehovah or Jesus) did not come in the flesh is not of God. 1 John 4:1-3 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: (3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
One more thing. The information we posted here is what was written back from someone that lived in a Muslim land.
Sincerely,
David Williams - Admin