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445 weeks ago @ Mormon Coffee - End of the world…as ... · 0 replies · +2 points

I didn't mock Camping or his followers, but I was amazed at the immodesty and lack of education displayed by them. Ever hear of the 19th century Adventists? Ever read their arguments for the dates they set? All of their dates failed.
Regarding 1975, the Bible chronology was not in question but rather the expectation asociated with it that was at times stated as being more definite than advisable, along with cautionary information that some lost sight of.
But people are attracted to sensational reporting regardless of its value.

470 weeks ago @ Mormon Coffee - Gospel Principles 2009... · 0 replies · +1 points

Hi Aaron, does the Gospel Principles (2009 ed.) repeat the doctrine that there was no blood before the Fall?

470 weeks ago @ Mormon Coffee - Gospel Principles 2009... · 0 replies · +1 points

I believe it is held that the pre-Fall Adam and Eve had spiritual bodies "quickened by spirit and not by blood." (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:76–77) Commenting on this is Apostle Nelson, a renowned medical doctor specializing in cardiovascular and thoracic surgery. He said: “While I do not fully understand all the biochemistry involved, I do know that their physical bodies did change; blood began to circulate in their bodies. Adam and Eve thereby became mortal.” ( “Constancy amid Change.” Ensign. November 1993, 33) In other words, the pre-Fall bloodless doctrine is unintelligible and unbelievable. Therefore I cannot believe it.

470 weeks ago @ Mormon Coffee - Gospel Principles 2009... · 0 replies · +1 points

(part 2)
Therefore, both the Bible and Mormon Jesus had blood, which according to Mormonism is the product of Adam's transgression.

What we have here may be called a soteriological contradiction, for Jesus was holy and sinless--he did not have any products of Adam's transgression. (Luke 1:35; Hebrews 4:15)

Another problem facing Mormonism is the preservation of the Latin name Lucifer. As it is a mistranslation of the Hebrew, it is not original nor is it a valid interpretation, as Isaiah 14:4-21 refers to the king of Babylon. A true latter-day revelation from God would not continue a translation mistake and breath life into centuries-old confusion. As Jesus said about God's word: "your word is truth." (John 17:17; Psalm 119:160). It does not preserve mistaken notions. Instead of "Truth Restored" as they declare, this amounts to "Error Sustained."

470 weeks ago @ Mormon Coffee - Gospel Principles 2009... · 2 replies · +1 points

(part 1)
This is a very good and interesting presentation. Mormon biology and soteriology are two of the most perplexing problems in Mormonism, for it is contended that Adam and Eve were created without blood.

The LDS.org Bible Dictionary sums up Mormon teaching this way:
"Before the fall, Adam and Eve had physical bodies but no blood. There was no sin, no death, and no children among any of the earthly creations. With the eating of the “forbidden fruit,” Adam and Eve became mortal, sin entered, blood formed in their bodies, and death became a part of life." http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bd/f/2

So, according to Mormonism, when Adam fell or transgressed, blood appeared in his body. But, Jesus had blood, as Mormonism believes too! Mormonism teaches that Jesus “made a perfect atonement for the sins of all mankind by shedding of his blood and giving his life on the cross.” http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gs/j/22

487 weeks ago @ Mormon Coffee - George P. Lee dies · 0 replies · +2 points

"I would like to see if the Reformed Egyptian symbol that represented "white" is comparable to the symbol that represented "pure". Of course, I keep asking for someone to produce a Reformed Egyptian concordance, but if I was holding my breath I would have been dead a long time ago."

What a great idea! I would like to see a BoM Interlinear so we can follow the translation of the Reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics like we can follow the translation of the Bible from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. (The LDS Church could possibly make an Interlinear BoA, which would prove interesting.) Oh yeah, a BoM Atlas would be great too.

In all seriousness, it's the above situation that prevents me from taking Mormonism seriously.

488 weeks ago @ Mormon Coffee - Mormon Story of Icelan... · 0 replies · +3 points

"Mormonism is built on sand"
I'm a very "textual" person. When I read the Bible, I like to have Hebrew and Greek interlinears and lexicons within arm's reach. With the Book of Mormon, no such thing is possible. It gives me a "standing on sand" impression not having a source-language to consult.