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13 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Jewish professor Geoff... · 0 replies · 0 points

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14 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Jewish professor Geoff... · 0 replies · +2 points

But you claimed that only religious Jews could be Palestinian, not secular ones.

14 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Jewish professor Geoff... · 0 replies · +1 points

Well, if you know Judaism. I know Christianity. And Christian tradition, from the beginning, is that, not only are Jews an ethno-national group, they are a ethno-national group that God the Father has ethnically cleansed as a punishment for their crucifixion of Jesus Christ God the Son.

14 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Jewish professor Geoff... · 0 replies · +2 points

Well, you Palestinian Christians also tried to keep Jews to a tiny minority. You failed. Tough. And you Palestinian Greek Christians have especially regarded Jews as an ethno-national group, exiled for their crucifixion of Jesus Christ, however much you choose to forget it.

14 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Jewish professor Geoff... · 0 replies · +2 points

Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians always had a choice. They chose to deny the right of Jews to live in Palestine in other than tiny numbers (against whom they had practised apartheid for centuries). They then sought�to keep them out, expel or eliminate them.

Hamas still does.

C'est tout.

14 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Jewish professor Geoff... · 0 replies · +2 points

My point about Muslim-Christian Associations is that they did not include even 'Palestinian' Jews, as you define them.

The MCAs are generally considered the first popular Palestinian Arab nationalist institutions.

14 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Jewish professor Geoff... · 0 replies · +3 points

Oh, and your Arab Orthodox Christian Sakakini openly embraced Hitler's policies towards the Jews.

14 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Jewish professor Geoff... · 0 replies · +1 points

Sakakini feared Jewish nationalism, because he thought it would entail Palestinian Arab dispossession. But he did not for a second dispute that Jews had very good reason for doing it, to reverse the wretched state that exile and dispossession had brought them. For Zionists “want to raise them (Jews) above the abyss of misery and the descending steps of weakness…on the ruins of others, by occupying Palestine as though it had occupied the heart of the Arab nation.”

Volume Two of Sakakini’s diaries, 38, 48.

If you want to go on to Palestinian Arab Muslim authors, then, when it is needed to express the fear of dispossession, the figure for which they reach is 'Jews': they fear to become the new Jews, the new dispossessed of the earth. When or if I can be bothered, I will quote you a source for Rashid Rida, who says precisely that, in 1908.

14 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Jewish professor Geoff... · 0 replies · +2 points

' If you are a scripture junky '

But YOU were the one challenging me to find that from scripture, it being YOU who claimed to be THE SCHOLAR and CHRISTIAN EXPERT.

So now you are moving the goalposts, AGAIN, when inconvenient facts are brought up.

It was also YOU who criticized Israeli Jews for being secular i.e. insufficiently SCRIPTURAL, indeed that secular Jews couldn't be Palestinian, at all.

You then said that Jews resident in Palestine after 1800 couldn't be Palestinian. Or did you mean 1900? Even so...

14 years ago @ http://www.belfasttele... - Jewish professor Geoff... · 0 replies · +3 points

Christian nationalist literature?

I will quote when I have time but, that by

Nejib Azuri, Najib Nassar, Khalil Sakakini, all of whom saw Jews as in some way an ethno-national group equivalent to the Arabs, possessed of a similar, if opposing, desire for national restoration and liberation, none of whom dispute an original dispossession, or even that it is understandable that Jews would want to reverse it.

Their chief gripe is that Jews are much more nationally minded and organized than Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians, despite the fact that the former are largely a people scattered, the latter still largely in possession of the land.

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