At the Death Camps, Muslim Leaders Grapple With Jews’ Pain – Forward.com Comments

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Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:35:50 +0000

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penjihad

Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:24:01 +0000

A great article and a great concept, too bad some of the tangential comments have served only to defile the ideals behind the effort in the story. I believe more Muslims should be encouraged to visit the Death camps along with Jews and follow-up discussions should remain off the record in the interest of and honest exchange and clear understandings. I don't think people should get upset at Muslims drawing analogies between the Shoah and Israel's behavior towards Palestinians, rather, Jews should seek to understand Muslim perspectives and help Muslims understand theirs. If we want cooperation and understanding, we have to leave judgment behind... I hope more trips which include Muslims and Jews from all over the world, continue to happen; that is the only guarantee of success.

TOE

Sat, 14 Aug 2010 22:42:39 +0000

Dachau is in Germany...

Hinda39

Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:22:44 +0000

Another issue - the lies of the "Palestinians" came from Arafat's learning when his uncle helped organize to expel "undesirables" from Muslim controlled countries between 1947 and the early 1960s). From North Africa, around the Mediterranean and also in Pakistan, Jews, Zorastrians, Bahais, Christians, and few Muslims were deported from their own countries and left alone. Israel had stepped in and brought many to her. There is a huge Bahai center in Haifa, another center for Zorastrians also near Netanya (I may be incorrect). What the lies of the Muslim world has claimed Israel has done - is exactly what they have done to their own people who are different - it is Apartheid and it is part of the plan for ethnic cleansing. When we all hear the condemnation of this from Muslims and witness a great change - perhaps then we will believe that there is alot of hope. I've seen the worse myself and the once great hope for a good future for all has dwindled to a small stream of light. In the words of Golda Meir, - when these people learn to love their own children more than they hate us, then we will have peace. NO to SHARIA - and NO to APPEASEMENT of the partners of the Nazis.

Hinda39

Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:16:58 +0000

What is sad is that the Muslims were co-conspirators with the Nazis and to this day the lessons of the Holocaust are not learned via the United Nations. In it's own history has caused more genocide and ethnic cleansing in Muslim-controlled countries. What is more than surprising is that the anti-semitism/anti-Israel views of the UN since the ex-Nazi was in charge of it - Kurt Valdheim who had allowed Arafat (the nephew of al-Husseini) to speak in the 1970s with Carter's blessing and come fully armed including a bomb belt. The UN needs to be kicked out and disbanded as it has been over 25 years of it no longer following it's own charter. I believe it is good that Muslims visit the camps and see what genocides were being done in a name of a belief. However, how many of these same Muslims have stood up strongly to condemn (and mean it) the attrocities happening to innocents around the world in the name of Sharia and Islam? Hardly any so far except one and I did not see him on the list - the Italian Sheikh Palavi (forgive me if I got the name wrong) who states that today's Islam is not the real Islam thanks to the likes of the creation of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

Solomon

Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:56:44 +0000

I think that the writer of this article is confused concerning the exact status of Auschwitz and Birkenau. I spent a full day there, and established that, for example, the Death Wall is located at Auschwitz, and not at Birkenau. The same goes for the collections of various commodities collected from victims. They are definitely housed at the main Auschwitz Camp. And mention should have been made of the extensive range of photographs of inmates (other than Jewish victims), which are on display, and of blockhouse 10, where Mengele and his minions conducted their infamous "medical" experiments.

Verkligheten i Sverige

Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:29:24 +0000

Ever heard of taqiyya, people? You could look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya Ever heard of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni who co-operated with the Nazis? You could look that up, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Hus... Scroll down to

TARIQ KHAN

Fri, 13 Aug 2010 04:18:09 +0000

There is no better way except to, accept the truth. The Holocaust is the worst act and we must never forget it. Never ever forget it and it must not be repeated again. Time has come that Jews and Muslims must work together. Muslims were never involved in any direct or indirect conflict with Jews.. State of Israel must be recognised as a Jewish State. May I request like minded Muslims to come forward and join the movement by contacting Dr. Navaras Afreedi. He is doing a great noble work. Muslims must remember that Israel supported Pakistan during the war against USSR. Even today Jewish organisations and the people of Israel are sending all kind of aid to Pakistan to save the 30000000 crore victims of the flood. Jew-Muslim UNITY Zindabad....Dr. Afreedi Paindabad. Tariq Khan= tariqkhanteekay@hotmail.com

Nach

Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:03:33 +0000

I would strongly suggest to use your spare time not for sin but for studying G-d's word. and applying the lessons learned to everyday matters in life.

Raymond in DC

Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:53:16 +0000

"one suggestion was that Muslim acknowledgement of the Holocaust should be followed by similar initiatives on the Jewish side, acknowledging Palestinian suffering and the role that Israel’s founding and the country’s subsequent policies had in this." If this is the attitude they're taking away from the experience, it has been in vain. Indeed, it plays into the claim that Palestinians were made to pay for the Europeans' crime. Yes, there were Muslims who rescued Jews, and yet others - in the Balkans and in North Africa - who took Jewish lives. It certainly would have been useful had the involvement of the Palestinian leader in the Shoah, even his creation of a Muslim army collaborating with the Nazis, been noted. Quite simply, there's simply no moral equivalence between the Jewish and Palestinian experiences.

Jayman

Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:03:35 +0000

The intentions of the Nazis were not limited to Europe. Let us not forget that over 2,000 Tunisian Jews were deported to Europe where they died in the death camps. Also, the Nazis killed 560 Libyan Jews in a forced death march across the desert. The only reason that relatively few North African Jews were killed in the Holocaust is because the Nazis were not there for long enough to implement their "Final Solution."

Moshe of Rockville

Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:10:14 +0000

Pogroms have been used against Jews in the diaspora by pagans,Christians and Moslems since the early days of the Roman Empire.Those who attacked Jews did not need an excuse for such violence for they were, indeed, different in their faith, views of family, community, support of nation and sense of justice. The tragedy that befell the Slavs,Russians,Poles and others was certainly a holocaust,but not the Holocaust.The Nazi German efforts to kill such people were not the organized slaughter that was mounted against European Jewry for they needed these people as forced labor to produce the armaments and munitions needed to conduct war.

Moshe of Rockville

Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:40:29 +0000

Dachau may not have been planned as part of the Final Solution,but nearly 32,000 people died in its 12 existence by starvation,malnutrition and suicide and by other methods.It also had gas chambers.So it was not a summer camp.While the Holocaust was, indeed, a crime against all humanity, it was a distinctly Jewish tragedy in view of the enormously successful managerial,engineering and bureaucratic organizations devoted by German authorities to exterminate world Jewry,beginning with those in Europe.As a result, 1/3 of those were exterminated.

David

Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:39:26 +0000

"But broadly, one suggestion was that Muslim acknowledgement of the Holocaust should be followed by similar initiatives on the Jewish side, acknowledging Palestinian suffering and the role that Israel’s founding and the country’s subsequent policies had in this." I had a sneaking suspicion that this kind of spurious equation of the Holocaust with the "suffering" of the Palestinians would be invoked by these participants even before I read it. It is outrageous, especially in light of the fact, apparently overlooked in their explorations, of the complicity of the Grand Mufti and head of the Palestinian national movement, Hadj Amin El-Husseini, in the planning and implementation of the Holocaust, and his service to the Nazi cause as a commander, appointed by Hitler, of a Bosnian Muslim SS division, known as the Handschar brigade. What is more, the "suffering" of the Palestinians owes far more to the bigotry and extremism of this leader and his policies toward the Jews of Palestine than "the role that Israel's founding" imposed. "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose"!

TJames

Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:01:14 +0000

Any dialogue, between those with and those without faith, should be applauded. Any acts that further understanding and mutual respect are vital for co-existence. There is one slightly disquieting note; Dachau was not a part of the "Final Solution". Unlike Auschwitz-Birkenau, Dachau was not an Extermination Camp, and its inmates were not majority Jewish. Of course Jewish suffering is crucial in understanding the evils of the Third Reich, but the tendency to focus on atrocities against the Jews to the exclusion of atrocities against others (Slavs were deemed "untermenschen" and were to be eradicated also as anything but bodies to be worked to death) is fuel to the anti-Semitic fire. The Holocaust needs to be reclaimed as a crime against all humanity, not solely a crime against Jews. Otherwise, Jews are held as something other than the rest of humanity, a position that has provoked pogroms throughout history. The Jew as other is not a platform that can comfortably be held. Its dangers are self evident as any reading of history demonstrates.

Rabbi Dr. Rosenberg

Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:24:50 +0000

These are the type of programs which are desperately needed between Jews and Muslims. Rabbi Dr. Bernhard Rosenberg

Norman

Thu, 12 Aug 2010 04:29:48 +0000

The vast majority of Iraqui`s who were killed occurred between the Shiite and Suni followers who fought among themselves and continue to bomb each other to this day. American inflicted casualties were minor compared to the infighting between the Arabs themselves. Once the Americans leave just watch Iraq turn into another civil war situation.

LKS

Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:31:07 +0000

What a wonderful idea! Perhaps a similar delegation of Christians and Jews should take a trip to the Middle East, where a million Iranians were killed by American weapons in the Iraq-Iran War, an additional million Iraqis have been killed by American soldiers since 2003, and hundreds of thousands more Afghans, Pakistanis, Palestinians, and Lebanese were killed by the US and Israel, respectively. A pit stop in Vietnam (civilian deaths: 4.3 million, 2 million by American hands) and Korea (North Korean civilians dead: 1.5 million) might be needed for the Evangelicals among the delegation. Only fair. Or does their suffering not count...?

Joe

Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:21:40 +0000

The Holocaust Educational Trust in London, chaired by Lord Greville Janner, recives govt funding to send students and teachers to visit Auschwitz as part of the UK's Holocaust Studies component of the National Curriculum. Many students also take part in the annual March of the Living

Israeli Jew

Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:54:42 +0000

What a great idea and what a shame no Jewish organizations were willing to help fund the trip but the Germans willingly stepped up. A lesson to be learned there.