en-us http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html Comments from FOR MONDAY MORNING Getting to Know U-KIP 1) Who are UKIP? http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646367227 "Who are UKIP" The answer. Mon, 20 May 2013 08:35:55 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646367227 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646365422Interesting analysis, marred by the childish "U-KIP" in title and text. Mr Wallace, do you write 'N-ATO', do you write 'U-SA'? Do you think 'United Kingdom' is written U-K? This subliminal 'ha-ha funny' attitude to UKIP is unworthy. Mon, 20 May 2013 08:32:31 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646365422 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646362621Hiw many memebers does the Conservative Party have. Is it: More than UKIP Less than UKIP A prize wilo be awarded to the first correct entry Mon, 20 May 2013 08:27:25 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646362621 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646360351I’m now giving up on ConHome (or UKIPHome as it has become). We are daily drowned by a tide of comments about UKIP from UKIPpers on this website. We know what they are like and we know what they believe. A series of articles giving them added publicity is the last straw. This website is a disgrace to the party that it claims to represent. Mon, 20 May 2013 08:23:00 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646360351 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646358394I think it's fair to say that UKIP may well have started off as a single issue party, but their ideas are to a large extent 'traditional tory' - the country is also run by civil servants carrying out the general instructions from the top so I've no doubt UKIP (or any other mob) would be no more or less efficient than anyone else in the delivery of policies. To that end if their plans are more inline with what the population want I don't think there's much to be scared of there. I enjoyed that article, but the burning issue this morning is getting to know who's calling the activists 'mad swivel-eyed loons' not getting to know UKIP! Mon, 20 May 2013 08:19:22 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646358394 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646355480Anybody who has ever read Jilly Cooper's excellent, definitive and highly amusing book on "Class" will know that the Kippers are - in the main - Howard and Eileen Weybridge and Bryan and Jen Teale! Mon, 20 May 2013 08:13:53 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646355480 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646354400One thing which I suggest is a strong factor for ex Conservative voters leaning towards UKIP is a burning hatred for Dave and what he has done to OUR party. In any poll asking who is/was the greatest traitor the party has ever had, where before the odious Heath would have won by a mile, now I think Dave might take the prize! If only the party had voted for the perfectly sound David Davis instead of the far left charlatan Dave. Mon, 20 May 2013 08:11:46 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646354400 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646353914Having just heard Tim on R4 I was left wondering if he does understand the depth of feeling inside the party.Whatever dave says, whatever dave does the BLT problem remains BELIEVEABILITY-LIKEABILITY-TRUSTABILITY! And deep down many still feel they were CONNED at Blackpool and the hustings.They don't like being CONNED! Mon, 20 May 2013 08:10:54 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646353914 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646352444For many of us the cause goes all the way back to 1975, long before the concept of UKIP, and is the first mistake our opponents make, in that we are a protest vote. Protesting if that is what you wish to call it, for 40 years has given many of us the tough persona of experienced troops, and the confidence to know our opponents are the political equivalent of the Italian army, lots of pretty uniforms, loves a shiny parade, but no guts to fight, and little belief in the causes they support, personal self interest being their Achilles heel. Throughout the wilderness years we have struggled to keep alive the flame of independence, self determination. and the right to be proud of our country its achievements and its culture.. Maastricht for many of us was the ultimate betrayal, and something that can never be forgiven, Maastricht did however catalyse the movement and gave it direction. If you are ambivalent about our future as an independent country, and have no problem in advancing the interests of others above our own citizens, then you are our enemy, and i use that word deliberately. You have had your chance to change, you have had years to listen, yet you chose to ridicule and ignore us . I don't know the future for UKIP as a party, but I do know that the cause will go on, we have re-ignited the flame of self confidence and patriotism in our country, and it is now to bright too extinguish. I don't actually care what your party does, or the Lib/Lab either, for you are all creatures of the same debased politics. You will hang on for now as FPTP protects you, but the future is coming, and does not consist of the politics of pragmatic surrender. We want our country back, and we intend to get it either with your belated support, or we will destroy you to achieve it. Mon, 20 May 2013 08:08:13 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646352444 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646351333I have posted on this before, but i do wonder if it is time for the Conservative Party to split and to usher in a period of four party politics. At the moment, the Conservative Party's conduct is akin to a bad marriage: both sides know it is goes to end in divorce and the continuous bickering is making both sides miserable. I struggle to see how traditional Conservatives can stay in when the direction is determined by those with a metropolitan political establishment view of the world. My local village branch did its best (successfully) to elect our Kent County Council candidate. However, since then just about everyone to whom I have spoken (members and general public) said they voted UKIp and recent events have only underlined their determination. This all has to end at some point. At this rate, in tears. Mon, 20 May 2013 08:06:08 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646351333 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646350839A Guardian journalist attended a UKIP meeting and interviewed the people there, the entire evening was spent moaning about everything about the UK when she asked one of them if there was anything they still liked about the country the answer, 'The past.' If the reports that over the weekend there has been a surge of Conservative Party members joining UKIP are true, I wonder when the Sun will be printing the headline, 'Will the last person in the Tory Party please switch out the lights' with Cameron's head framed in a light bulb. Mon, 20 May 2013 08:05:13 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646350839 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646348275Brilliant article. My take is that UKIPers are passionate about justice, common sense and self-determination. Justice does not exist in this country. The thousands of criminal offenses, the complicated law, the high cost of legal representation means that "justice" is done at the government's whim. Secret courts and juryless trials, the EAW and US extradition treaties nullify habeas corpus. That is not justice. Common sense derives from the considered, rational opinions of intelligent, informed, compassionate people - not from the hydra of automated systems of penalties, rules and regulations, which regularise the sanity out of decision-making. Self-determination is about the freedom to achieve on a level playing field, and the freedom to fail - provided that one does not harm others. That's where a good justice system comes in. But UKIPers are also about integrity. We value people with courage, conviction and honesty. We value people who are genuinely compassionate and who cannot be bought. Try finding those values in any of the three "main" parties. Mon, 20 May 2013 08:00:23 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646348275 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646347558An excellent article, much has been written of UKIP but this is the first time it's been by someone who gets it. I don't know what the answer to UKIP is for the other parties, you don't have our trust and trust takes a long time to build. Promises of a referendum from a guy we think is an habitual lair certainly won't win us over, the problem isn't just Cameron either, it's an entire political class that have done nothing but tell lies and abuse the electorate for decades. Mon, 20 May 2013 07:59:11 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646347558 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646343508I read in the news today that a senior UKIP leader said his party is full of “people who have failed at everything else in life and are feeling angry about it and want someone to blame.” I think that pretty well describes some of the most vociferous UKIP posters on here. Mon, 20 May 2013 07:52:04 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646343508 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646343156While I agree that UKIP are attempting to broaden their policy base, their future remains uncertain because of their one best known policy. One day there will be an in-out EU referendum – that is inevitable. And just as the AV referendum result has put a dent into voting reform for the foreseeable future, so a vote to stay in the EU may harm UKIP’s ambitions. How can they argue on the doorstep we need to leave the EU if the topic has been nationally discussed and voted on? Equally if people chose to leave the EU – then UKIP will have won the argument – and many may think there is no longer any point in voting for them. Nigel Farage was once asked what he would do should a referendum vote to stay in, and he said that he would quit politics and ‘get a proper job’. Other UKIP members may have to say the same. After a referendum, whatever the result, UKIP poll ratings would fall. For these reasons it would be in the interests of the Conservative party to have a referendum as soon as possible – and campaign to stay in. Mon, 20 May 2013 07:51:25 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646343156 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646342700Promoted by UKIP, Lexdrum House, King Charles Business Park, Newton Abbot, Devon TQ12 6UT Mon, 20 May 2013 07:50:33 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646342700 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646342414TL;DR UKIP are Poujadists (and I mean that as a compliment!) Mon, 20 May 2013 07:49:58 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646342414 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646341838UKIP is a protest party for those who don't have the resolve to try to deal with our countries problems and to make the hard choices in government at a time of crisis. A protest party for those who can't face up to the political realities and prefer to stand on the side lines and criticise. The will always be people who prefer not to face up to hard choices, who seek the easy option, in the past these people had the Lib Dem, now they have UKIP. Mon, 20 May 2013 07:48:58 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646341838 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646341213A well thought-out article. It will be interesting to see how the series progresses. Yes, UKIPpers have to be 'won over' or 2015 will be a Tory disaster. When is it going to start happening? Mon, 20 May 2013 07:47:47 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646341213 http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646339358Excellent article and one of the few appearing which appears to finally understand us UKIPPERS.Excellent article and one of the few appearing which appears to finally understand us UKIPPERS. This is why a "promise" (even enshrined in a bill) for a referendum to be held in the distant future is not enough to win over UKIPPERS. The simple way to understand us, is that UKIPPERS passion and dedication is fuelled by 40 years of betrayal by the ENTIRE political and ruling class. WE SIMPLY DEMAND OUR COUNTRY BACK! We are here to stay and we will give the British people our country back. Mon, 20 May 2013 07:44:22 +0000http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2013/05/for-monday-morning-getting-to-know-u-kip-1-who-are-ukip.html#IDComment646339358