I haven\'t heard much about this, but I haven\'t been spending too much time in the Indonesian blogosphere lately. These books were never meant to be licensed under CC licenses (I wish they had, of course). They would have had to use non-commercial licenses, since they want to limit the maximum retail price.

I think a project looking at the impact of this project on actual textbook availability and use in Indonesia would be great, but I don\'t know of anyone pursuing that.
Stian

In the course we will probably do groups of about 20, which is still fairly big compared to most of the CSCL literature (\"a full class\"), whereas for a university course of course it is very small. This is also connected to how much TA-hours we are assigned etc. To be honest, there probably won\'t be much \"Knowledge Building\" or contribution to a central artefact - as long as students have some engagement with the readings that help them understand them better, and build on each other\'s ideas in the smaller groups, that\'s already pretty good.

I definitively think it should be kept in small groups. A question is how small. And what/how much/how to share back to the big group.

Very good point. In fact, my current setup, which I will blog about as soon as I find the time, is a great mishmash of several different applications, held together with small Ruby scripts and AppleScript, javascript bookmarklets, php plugins, etc. However, it\'s taken me weeks of tinkering and several all-nighters, and right now, it\'s something that most of my friends in graduate school would neither be able to do, nor have the time to do. I wish some of these programs were made to more easily work together, and not impose a single workflow.

And even though some never citation management tools look fancy, I am surprised at the functionality they lack. \"Oh, you don\'t just want to insert a citation in a Word document, but also in your WordPress blog? In your wiki? You want to sync to your Kindle, and have the notes come back? You want to share those notes with others? You want to insert microformats in your blog post, so web spiders and Zotero semantically know about the citation you referenced? You want to write in MultiMarkdown, and seamlessly generate HTML, PDFs and DOCs?\" -- lot\'s of stuff we couldn\'t show in the video, because making such a video takes a lot of time, even for simple functionality.

They do have very specific signatures, but that won\'t help you if you\'ve never heard them (or never paid attention). Wonder how \"the man in the street\" would do on this one. Would be fun to give it to a high school class in Norway or something to see. Could be part of their \"global studies\" curriculum :)

Thanks for your comment. I must admit I never actually ended up using it much. I also never wrote the interface for calculating statistics across days/weeks etc. Because it uses Growl (whose command line interface seems to differ slightly between versions), and a hotkey setup, it\'s also difficult for me to provide some kind of install package (this is something Ruby is really weak on in general)... so it remains kind of a hobby project for others who know Ruby and want to tinker.

I am surprised nobody else have made kind of a polished program with the same design - it seems obviously useful. Maybe someone will feel inspired - the idea is there for the taking.

Why don\'t you do it? One of the things I\'d really like to see realized with this thesis is for other people to reuse it - that\'s why I included the license. I might not be as lucky as Cory Doctorow, who gets his books translated in five languages, and made into audiobooks and interpretative dance, but if you upload it to Wikiversity, and Veletsiano uploads it to Scribd, that\'s still an example I can use to show others why they should also use CC licenses on their theses, rather than just uploading them openly.

(And then I know you\'re no big fan of CC licenses, and I\'ll be happy to dedicate it to the public domain too, if you want me to :) I still want people to cite me, but I think they\'ll do that as a professional courtesy, rather than a legal obligation).

Daniel,
I very much appreciate that your journals will stay OA. In my post, I highlighted two different things, one is that you had chosen a license that didn't seem to reflect your real intention. The second was that there was no mention of this license on the actual article page. After communicating with Dengshun Wang from your company, he has assured me that both of these issues will be rectified. That is great, and I am happy that you are so open to suggestions and advice.

I hope other publishers will follow your example.

Stian

Hi Najmeh, thanks a lot for the comment.
Yes, I think we are seeing a lot of interesting tools that try to make it easier to bring together information, however so far most of the tools I have seen have been trying to "choose the wheat from the chaff" so people don't drown in from the fire hose, which is valuable in itself. But I haven't seen that many tools or platforms that let/or encourage you to really work with the information to build something new, and deeper (or higher order)...

Jim Hewitt has the idea of combining a wiki with a discussion forum, to combine the "stream of conversation" with the "integrative" aspect of a collaboratively edited wiki. I would still love to hear more about the difference between a wiki and knowledge forum, but I wonder if that could be one way - if people could somehow be induced to update a wiki, as they post on their blogs around the world... But how to induce/facilitate that? And I suppose it would become less useful, the less agreed the group was about what their common object of learning/inquiry were?

In some ways though, it's like a survey article. And I've often wished there were really good survey articles maintained more like a wiki, and less like something that is published and then becomes obsolete. There are lot's of fields I'd like to move into, where I feel immediately lost, not "knowing the landscape"... (This goes for countries and languages too - I'd love to know what the "state of the art" in Chinese research on OER is, but I have no idea where to start).
Stian

Veldig flott at dere legger ut dette, gleder meg til å se! Pratet faktisk med en representant fra Miro på en konferanse i California som fortalte dette, og ble veldig gledelig overrasket.

Desverre lastes det ned ganske tregt i Canada, litt pga få lokale peers kanskje, men mest fordi det er så lite konkurranse mellom ISPene her, og de fleste throttler torrents. Men det er jo ikke NRK sin feil - tvert i mot, jo mer legitimt torrent innehold som finnes, jo sterkere blir saken for nettnøytralitet!

Legger dere ut dette med en åpen lisens også? Har en kamerat som kanskje er interessert i å fansubbe til kinesisk, og srtene gjør jo dette mye enklere (har time codes), men har han rett til å så legge ut den nye versjonen, med kinesisk undertekst, på en kinesisk bittorrent site?

Stå på!
Stian