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17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 9 replies · -4 points

To those who choose to listen.

I originally joined this forum because I thought this was a place where I could meet up with other individuals who were not concerned with party lines or the same repeated political rhetoric, but were actually interested in started a movement that would restore the principles of the Constitution to this Republic. That reason and truth would reign supreme.

Sadly, it seems as though I was mistaken. That's not to say that there aren't many people here who truly hold those ideas near and dear to their hearts... but every day when I read I see predominantly paranoid over-reactive brow beating. People ranting and raving about some news report where it is apparent that they didn't read the full report, nor dig for the actual truth and not just accept the earliest presented spin.

I know most of you believe you have good intentions, but I fear most of those good intentions are (as is all too common) being lost in a sea of hypocrisy and hate-mongering. And as such, I must bid you all good day.

Respectfully, a concerned citizen, veteran, and defender of the Constitution

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 0 replies · 0 points

I'm not sure what the core of the article on cardinalnewmansociety.org was, but this story was first run on CNSNews.com, and that article clearly shows that this was not as it's being portrayed by many people here.

Julie Green Bataille, associate vice president for communications at Georgetown, said:
“The White House wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they’ve done for other policy speeches. Frankly, the pipe and drape wasn’t high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context.”

She also stated “The White House asked for the backdrop of American flags" and that "Georgetown had covered the symbols in order to provide a backdrop that was consistent with what the White House had requested."

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 1 reply · 0 points

That may well be true (that it wasn't necessary), but as I stated in another post... based on the statements made by Bataille (the woman from Georgetown) the decision to cover the symbols in question was made by Georgetown and not the White House. I may be mistaken, but that's how it reads to me.

The reason I believe this distinction is important is because the more often someone cries "foul" over something like this where there was nothing nefarious or even intentional, the less likely people are to listen when there is a legitimate grievance. Sort of a Chicken Little/Boy Who Cried Wolf thing.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 0 replies · +1 points

That is unclear. The article did contain a statement from Bataille stating that “The White House asked for the backdrop of American flags,” not for the symbols themselves to be covered, and that “In order to provide that, that meant that the backdrop of Gaston Hall had to be covered."

I would assume that any other speaker who asked for a backdrop of similar nature would result in the symbols being covered as well. And as I said in another post about this, Bataille also said that "the pipe and drape wasn’t high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context.”

It seems that the decision to cover them was more the decision of the Georgetown staff than the White House.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 0 replies · +1 points

The wikipedia article on the 2010 US Senate elections contains a listing of which seats are up for reelection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate...

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 0 replies · -1 points

I wonder if you read the rest of the article in which Julie Green Bataille continued on saying:
“The White House wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they’ve done for other policy speeches. Frankly, the pipe and drape wasn’t high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context.”

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 5 replies · 0 points

"Georgetown Associate Vice President Bataille spoke to CNSNews.com by phone. She said she did not think there was any contradiction between her statement of Wednesday saying that the White House had asked Georgetown to cover all signs and symbols at the back of the Gaston Hall stage and the White House’s statement of Thursday saying that it had asked for a background of American flags. She indicated that Georgetown had covered the symbols in order to provide a backdrop that was consistent with what the White House had requested." - CNSNews.com

There's a difference between the way you've presented this story and the truth. Me, I prefer the truth. If it still offends you, that's your right, but at least convey the situation honestly.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 0 replies · +1 points

I would have to disagree with you there.

The Founding Fathers of this country were, in their day, extremely liberal. So, if you wanted to get into the semantics of it, being "liberal" (without examing the actual beliefs of liberals) is technically more American than being "conservative". It's the core principles and not the label that determines whether or not a person is honoring the founding principles of this country. This is why I believe we cannot continue to demonize a particular philosophy and must focus on the merits and flaws of individual ideas.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 1 reply · +1 points

I'm not trying to be confrontational with you, but can you see how the second sentence of your reply in many ways contradicts the first? This is something that we all, myself included, are often guilty of but something we all need to be cautious about, and why I posted the original vent in the first place.

17 years ago @ Glenn Beck - The 912 P... - Vent through 4/22 · 0 replies · +1 points

Well said.

I think your second paragraph is what many people, on both sides, are forgetting. I've seen numerous posts even here that are nothing but Obama/Democrat/Liberal bashing. Honestly, it's quite easy to see just why movements such as this are labeled the way they are when people resort to those kinds of tactics.

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