I guess what I meant was that there are too many people that have kids and get divorced or treat them badly, or neglect them. These people maybe didnt want to have kids to start with, so they shouldnt have been forced to have kids. You cant do a good job at something you dont really like.

I think if people do not want to have kids... THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE KIDS.... the last thing we need in the world is unhappy people raising kids. The people that are too obsessed with their stupid jobs, please don't have kids. The people that think that career is more important than family, please don't have kids. People that think children are parasites, please don't have kids.

I have lived downtown and in the GTA with kids for 17 yrs, for most of that time I have been treated badly for HAVING kids, especially in the early 90s, people would look at me and my kid the elevators and sneer. These days its socially acceptable to have dogs in the grocery store. I still feel that business people and society does not like those with kids. Its a natural part of human culture to have kids but in the city in some areas they are looked at as animals or something. I feel that even dogs may have a higher acceptance level than kids in many areas. That really sucks. I have never noticed this supposed stigma against peope that DONT want kids. Just a bunch of whiners in my books, how bad could it be for them??