en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/747497 Comments by SeptSpirit http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50530626 Settlements happend in 93. Pocket change for MJ at the time. The financial problems/sales of memorabilia happened long after that, following a tsunami of frivolous lawsuits, and following his conflict with SONY/Motolla. Invincible sold 9 million copies, not as many as Thriller, but still far more that his peers sold then and now. Invincible was just named Billboard's Album of the Decade. Debt is paid. Catalogue secured. His children will be well cared for, as will the millions who benefit from the 20% of his estate earnings that will continue to go to numerous charities. Even in death he does more for children that most. Can't keep a good man down. Tue, 5 Jan 2010 22:12:44 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50530626 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50276360 When your only tool is a hammer, it's certain that everything will look like a nail. The truth doesn't have to "make you sick", it can set you free. Nonsense is calling others names rather than sticking to the facts relevant to the discussion. I'm not following you around, and have reported your threatening comment to the moderator of this site. How are you tracking me? Do you have access to people's personal information? Comments like you made could discourage people from participating. Mon, 4 Jan 2010 01:45:09 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50276360 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50271670 I won't leave your comments alone. You freely (I assume) chose to participate in a public venue and can remove yourself at any time. You are not a victim. Unsubscribe from the thread. Who's the "moronic idiot" with a victim complex? Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:50:13 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50271670 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50271304 LOL. You're as deluded about the effect your "playing with me" might have, as you are about MJ "playing games with children". Your juvenile rants are quiet boring actually and wouldn't justify a response except that they're posted on a public forum. The average pedo doesn't have/play with toys. They are the school teacher, the priest, the uncle, the next-door neighbor, the soccer coach... who appear perfectly "normal"- their cover. I realize it might be a stretch to push your mind beyond your biased opinion, but can you image any other reason a person might have an alarm in the hall to their bedroom. Say, you're the most recongnised celebrity in the world who has received numerous death threats... Many ordinary citizens have the same motion detectors in their hallways. It's called security. Funny that alarm didn't go off when the maid alleged to have entered the bathroom and saw MJ "in the shower with a boy". Inconsistencies, lack of evidence, Justice prevailed. He settled two extortion scams and no one "left the country" under threat. How utterly ridiculous. Mon, 4 Jan 2010 00:46:00 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50271304 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50253586 Yes, the insurance company paid against MJs wishes- you apparently have not seen that court document or are conveniently disregarding it. Your biased rants don't hold up to facts. Ray Chander (the uncle) while defending his brother Evan, stated that they went for a large monetary settlement rather than a conviction, to send a strong message. ROFLMAO $20 million was pocket change for MJ at the time. What kind of message is sent when the alleged perp pays out pocket change rather than going to prison? Hanzo, you appear desperate to defend your uneducated, biased opinion based on specualtion and healines you've scanned. Dig deeper for the truth. You'be been dupped by Medialoid. LOL- MJs attorney were "slippery snake-oil sakesman liars"??? Check the people involved on Chandler's side. You could "go on and on with damning evidence". That's laughable, because all I've seen you add to the discussion is speculation, which is NOT fact, and biased opinion. "Allegations" of MJ giving alcohol to a minor, a minor who was an admitted liar. BTW, why are you allowed these long rants while others posts are limited in size? Sun, 3 Jan 2010 21:15:49 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50253586 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50250820 NEWSFLASH. Settlements do not prevent 'victims' from bringing or testifying in civil actions. Two, ill-advised, settlements did nothing to "prevent further lawsuits or further damages". One Extortion leads to future extortion attempts. MJ was opposed to a settlement in the Chandler case and wanted to go to trial (check the court docs), the decision was made by his insurance company. In fact, the alleged victim did not want to testify, and according to his attorney, wanted to settle and move on with his life. Imagine that. The Chandlers were never seeking "justice", the leeches were clearly after money. MJ was the target of over 1000 frivolous and ridiculous lawsuits in the past 2 decades- not related to children or allegations of inappropriate behavior. If all those cases went to trial, he would've spend all his time in depos and defending his reputation and money, rather than creating and performing- earning a living. Sun, 3 Jan 2010 20:45:55 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50250820 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50245979 The DA 5 "victim" witnesses. Culkin- MJ was innocent. Robson- MJ was innocent. Chandler- fled the country to avoid testifying, and refused to testify in 93. Francia- Laughable- overly dramatic testimony and inconsistencies, had sold the story to Hard Copy. Arvizo- proven not to be a credible witness due to inconsistencies in his and his family's testimony. Ten years, scouring the planet for victims, and this was the best the DA could do? The judge even allowed 1108 evidence. Common sense should tell you MJ was innocent and logical deduction would confirm it, if you'd take the time to educate yourself on the facts. Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:56:43 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50245979 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50245925 Check it. The DA had a website inviting 'victims' to come forward for a decade; traveled all over the country and to other countries looking for victims; spoke to every kid/parent in MJs roladex; subjected MJ to an unprcedented investigation (far exceeding even the highest profile murder case); spent millions of taxpayer's money chasing his tail in a fit of revenge; tampered with evidence; begged the mother of the 2nd accuser not to bail following the grand jury proceeding; and still couldn't come up with anything that would bring even one conviction. Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:55:56 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50245925 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50242816 LOL, Miko, the armchair shrink has spoken. Hard to sleep when you have 2000 watts of heavenly inspiration bombarding your brain. MJ was told this procedure was safe to use when all other treatment for dibilitating insomnia failed. And, it would've been had the doctor monitored him closely. MJ only resorted to propofol when work demands required it. If anything other than divine creative inspiration kept him up at night it was the hopelessness he felt about his fellow human beings, those who would viciously attack others for personal gain. Those who would malign and misrepresent his caring for children, twisting it into some perverted image to suit their purposes, to destroy his reputation. As an advocate for children, he set the bar so high it may never be surpassed. Sorry to dash your perverted dillusions, but pedos don't set up foundations for children; don't donate to 40+ chariites; don't 'randomly' molest; don't flaunt their victims in public; don't perform 100+ nights of grueling concerts and donate all proceeds to charity; don't leave 20% of their estate to those charities. Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:16:31 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50242816 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50240270 Absolutely. The Chandler's forced their son on MJ. Gave him their home number and told him to call anytime. Befriended him and invited him to stay in their homes. Evan asked MJ to build him a larger house so MJ would have his own wing. Jordan was used by his money-grubbing father, who later maced, choked, and hit him in the head with a 12# dumbbell during an arguement over $$$. The prosecutors in this case were pushing for a law that would FORCE Jordan to testify. Defense attorney Mesereau had several of Jordan's friends lined up to testify that he'd told them his parents made him lie- hence his refusal to testify. The Arvizos were just a pathetic joke. No way in hades did MJ act inappropriately with that boy 3 times, AFTER an unprecedented investigation by CPS and LE, AFTER the Bashir fraudumentary, and while still under intense public scrutiny. Had MJ been convicted on even one charge, you can bet a civil suit would've follow, for their big payday. In fact, the only person in these boys lives who cared about them was MJ, and for that, he was persecuted and crucified. Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:44:34 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50240270 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50239109 That's just sick. Slanderous defammation. MJs stage persona was MILD compared to some of his contemporaries. Think Manson, Osborne, even Prince. I hope his children never find this inaccurate article and don't read the hateful, and uneducated responses. Who among you really cares about children? You just need a whippin boy for your pent up frustration and have chosen MJ for the moment. Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:29:38 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50239109 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50238463 If you saw a man sleeping with your son, spooning him with his hand on your son's crotch, what would you do? Yank him out of the bed, kick his *ss, and call LE? Or, quietly close the door and call an attorney to find out how much money you could extort from the person? This is what Evan Chandler alleged happened and the latter is what he claimed to be his reaction, according to the book his "estranged" brother wrote, aiding Evan in getting around the Confidentiality Agreement of the settlement. Believable? Not even slightly. When it was clear that Evan's extortion demands wouldn't be met; he drugged his son; planted suggestions; took him to a shrink- mandatory reporter-to avoid any backlash regarding parental responsibility. Hundreds of night spent in the same room/bed and MJ was innapropriate 3 times? Do you people really believe that? More plausible is that Evan only had time to plant 3 suggestions before the hypnotic drug wore off. Imagine the confusion this could've caused Jordan!! Sun, 3 Jan 2010 18:20:57 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50238463 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50236300 LOL. There's also an ol saying that goes, Innocent until proven guilty. The smoke was created by the Medialoid and smoldered for two decades. Given that over half of allegations are proven to be false, any person accused should be given the benefit of doubt. Many innocent people have been harmed by being falsely accused. The McMartin case is a prime example. View the YouTube "Michael Jackson framing Videoed Hard Copy April 27 1995 little-seen footage" in which a Canadian kid pwned Dimond. His allegations were exponentially more believable than any of the 3 real accusers. Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:53:18 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50236300 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50234865 Inaccurate. Where did you get this idea? Jordan Chandler was free to testify in a criminal case. He refused in 93 and fled the country to avoid being subpoened during the 05 trial. There wasn't enough evidence to indict MJ in 93- including an inaccuate description of MJs genitalia. Jason Francia did testify in 05 and due to inconsistencies in his and his mother's testimony, was not considered a credible witness. Gavin Arvizo was also free to testify in any criminal case. Pointless to bring one, as he and his entire family were also seen as incredible witnesses, who lied during the trial and admitted they had lied in previous cases. Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:38:44 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50234865 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50233829 MJ "admitted" no such thing. "Several children" did not accurately describe his genitaila. The one who did got it wrong- MJ wasn't circumcised- hence no charges. I guess his dad was unaware of that fact when he put his son under a hypnotic drug and planted suggestions. Read "Was MJ Framed" by Mary A Fischer. Locate Charles Thomson's blog to read the truth by someone who has actually investigated the truth. And what of Schaffel? Moslehi was MJs videographer. Dieter and Konitzer commissioned Schaffel to work with Moslehi at Schaffel's residence to produce the rebuttal and was not exposed to any children. Shapiro repeated Breitbart"s slander without doing his own investigation. Sun, 3 Jan 2010 17:27:20 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50233829 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50230193 “The only male singer who I’ve seen besides myself and who’s better than me - that is Michael Jackson.” - Frank Sinatra Gene Kelly talks about Jackson's "native histrionic intelligence and his great wit. He knows when to stop and then flash out like a bolt of lightning. There are a lot of dancers who can go 90 miles an hour, but Michael is too clever for just that." “Oh, God! That boy moves in a very exceptional way. That’s the greatest dancer of the century”. “I didn’t want to leave this world without knowing who my descendant was. Thank you Michael!” - Fred Astaire Fred Astaire, one of the greatest dancers of all time how much merit and honor. The day after Jackson’s legendary Motown 25 performance when he performed ‘Billie Jean’ for the first time, Astaire phoned him, informed him he had not only taped the show but watched it twice that morning, and he was a HELL of a dancer! Sun, 3 Jan 2010 16:43:39 +0000 http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jsshapiro/2009/12/29/hollywood-and-i-both-wrong-about-michael-jackson/#IDComment50230193