en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/306687 Comments by Obsydean http://www.kptv.com/news/25939819/detail.html#IDComment112512864 What no one has appreciated is someone out there tipped off the FBI to this guy, and that person is currently unknown. It could very well have been someone from his own mosque, whoever it was, that person is a hero because they stopped a very serious individual from doing something very bad and who knows what could have happened if no one spoke up. Even if it wasn't someone from his mosque that saved us, we still want to be their friends because it is exactly this kind of thing we want the peaceful moderate muslims to feel free and trust enough to come to the FBI with stuff like this. Also, this kid is more like a Kip Kinkle more than a real terrorist. A loner angry at the world that wants to throw down in a blaze of glory. Not the first or the last that will come out of Oregon. Sun, 28 Nov 2010 23:36:56 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25939819/detail.html#IDComment112512864 http://www.katu.com/news/local/109544064.html#IDComment111052556 Sometimes people amaze me, in this case the OLCC has found that the caffeine was dangerous, but the actual alcohol is not. You can continue to sell 12% alcohol in a 22 oz can, just don't put any caffeine in there. Absurdly concluding the caffeine is bad but the alcohol is not a problem at all. Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:46:54 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/local/109544064.html#IDComment111052556 http://defensetech.org/2010/11/19/u-s-sending-tanks-to-afghanistan-for-the-first-time/#IDComment110988965 Future archeaologists will dig sites and observe a predominance of Soviet-era equipment and ordinance left behind, and rarely the footnote of American occupation evidenced by the odd Abrams left behind. Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:16:07 +0000 http://defensetech.org/2010/11/19/u-s-sending-tanks-to-afghanistan-for-the-first-time/#IDComment110988965 http://defensetech.org/2010/11/19/u-s-sending-tanks-to-afghanistan-for-the-first-time/#IDComment110985874 This is not a sign we are winning, this is a sign we are losing. We should be hearing about less firepower, not more. An Abrams does nothing to win heart and mind, in fact its sole purpose is to destroy your heart and mind from a few thousand meters out and then tread right over its charred corpse. Heck, we could have nuked the place a hundred times by now and left a glowing slag heap behind, definitely would make sure the terrorists don't seek haven. This is a failed project and we need to call it a day. Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:02:54 +0000 http://defensetech.org/2010/11/19/u-s-sending-tanks-to-afghanistan-for-the-first-time/#IDComment110985874 http://www.katu.com/news/national/108777139.html#IDComment110435090 The GOP is possibly better than the democrats at winning elections, but are far less competent at actual leadership. Palin is nothing to sneeze at when it comes to competing in an election, but there is no question that she is incompetent as a leader. Just imagine who she might pick for VP, probably someone with trisomy 21. And to all you that don't like the current President- too bad. Bush was an absolute monster and it may take more than two terms to repair all the damage he did to our country. Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:10:48 +0000 http://www.katu.com/news/national/108777139.html#IDComment110435090 http://defensetech.org/2010/11/17/f-22-raptor-missing-in-alaska/#IDComment110340102 I wonder if the pilot can drop the pod inflight Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:47:34 +0000 http://defensetech.org/2010/11/17/f-22-raptor-missing-in-alaska/#IDComment110340102 http://defensetech.org/2010/11/17/f-22-raptor-missing-in-alaska/#IDComment110323649 It is interesting to try and understand how a stealth fighter dropping off radar is a concern, add being within 150nm of Wasilla and you have hit late-night comedy paydirt. Anyway, Raptor has short legs and Alaska is a big place. Even thinking the pilot landed somewhere outside the US is absurd. #2 we learned something about this so-called 'Stealth' capability. We can track it on our radars, ergo so can anyone else. Maybe not so stealthy after all. #3 we have operational deployment at Elmengork, against what? We have these expensive toys with less of the fighter jock smell in the cockpit patrolling in Alaska against the immenent threat of....what exactly? Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:21:00 +0000 http://defensetech.org/2010/11/17/f-22-raptor-missing-in-alaska/#IDComment110323649 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110296593 Yes. You see folks, we have a social compact with law enforcement. We empower them with the use of force to go after the truly bad guys and to generally preserve order. In exchange an officer gets to carry a gun, in certain circumstances use it, even take a life. Mostly the agreement works as long as the police don't go too far. Yet, sometimes an officer goes too far and we citizens have a responsibility to hold some accountability. Frashour shot an unarmed man in the back, Aaron Campbell did not need to die and because of Frashour a mother has no son, a woman has lost her mate and a little girl has no dad. I'm just glad Frashour got fired so he can't collect unemployment. Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:34:53 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110296593 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110295376 What utter nonsense are you talking about? The FAMILY should be held accountable for Aaron's behavior? He was an free adult citizen. By your logic, and given that you agree Frashour is accountable, "as well", then Frashour's Family is also cuplable. See how easy it is to reach absurdity with comments like yours? Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:25:39 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110295376 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110294800 Perhaps you have special access to information the rest of don't have, so enlighten us, what crime was Aaron Campbell committing that justfied the shooting? Because according to the information I've seen, and I've read all the documents and reports they released, Police we not called because a crime was in progress, they were called to help an emotionally distraught man. Tell us, specifically what law was he not obeying that justifies the police shooting an unarmed man in the back? Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:21:06 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110294800 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110293896 The good decent police shot an unarmed man in the back. That is a fact, undisputed. You just think shootin' folks in the back is okay and police can do whatever they want without consequence. Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:14:20 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110293896 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110293543 So, are you saying that it is okay for officers to kill unarmed civilians in any circumstance? At what point are you willing to say, "you went too far". Do you want police officers who feel they can behave however they want without any fear of reprimand? One of the things that makes our society 'civil' is that we hold our law enforcement accountable too. This time Frashour went too far killing an unarmed man. Campbell was distraught but that is hardly justification for lethal force. Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:11:24 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110293543 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110292948 Firing is no small outcome. Imagine how that looks on the resume, it will be tough to find other police work. While no criminal charges were filed, he will get sued in civil court. Whatever job he finds, there is going to be a garnishment out of every paycheck. Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:06:13 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110292948 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110292544 She won't be handling the shotgun anymore. She is out of that game for good. PPD can still use an otherwise competent female officer for other stuff. The hot head Frashour had to go. Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:03:02 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110292544 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110292220 This is not about what your imagination can conjure. This is about facts. The truth is Campbell was unarmed and did not need to die that day. Frashour made a wrong choice firing his weapon, against his training and established procedures. Police officers are invested with a tremendous amount of trust and when they violate that trust, namely to help the distraught Campbell instead of hurt him, we as a society have a similar responsibilty to hold that officer accountable. Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:00:46 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110292220 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110291677 I disagree with you. I don't care if you are the Pope, you can't shoot an unarmed man. Emotional distress is not a justification for killing and if you disagree with than, well, you sound a like emotionally distressed.... Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:56:47 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110291677 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110291335 Correct. The entire situation should never escalated to the level it did, and there was a failure of training and leadership at multiple levels. Ultimately, you nailed it, every officer has a heavy decision to make when pointing a gun at a citizen, and this time, Frashour blew it. Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:54:10 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110291335 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110290959 Grand jury found no criminal charges, which is not the same thing as 'no wrong doing'. We as a society invest a tremendous amount of trust in law enforcement, and when their actions cross the line, we must hold them accountable. Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:51:11 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110290959 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110290654 Failure to obey a police command does not justify killing. The law does not allow use of lethal force to gain compliance to voice commands and Frashour was not justified in firing his weapon. Mr. Campbell had no gun and the truth is he did not need to die that day. Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:48:38 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110290654 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110289924 I applaud this decision, Frashour should consider himself lucky he was not charged criminally. There is finally some amount of accountability. I'd say maybe up to 80% of PPD line officers are good people with sound character and wisdom when doing thier job. However PPD does have its share of hot heads that got into the business simply because they like guns and get off on the power trip. Frashour is one of those. My advice to him is to enlist in the Marines because then he can really get his rocks off shootin' folks with some serious firepower, and get medals for it instead of getting fired. Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:42:57 +0000 http://www.kptv.com/news/25811858/detail.html#IDComment110289924