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16 years ago @ FinerMinds - Ask And It Is Given by... · 0 replies · +1 points

Thanks Chris :)

16 years ago @ FinerMinds - The Four Agreements by... · 0 replies · +1 points

Thought provoking Katrina, thanks. Yes, I think ultimately our innate NEEDINESS (part of being human) can only be met by Source/God/The Divine/Etc. -and when we rely on others for our worth, we get into trouble.

16 years ago @ FinerMinds - The Four Agreements by... · 2 replies · +1 points

Thanks for your thoughts David. I probably did miss (or neglect) the 'heart' of the point, but still do think that if we truly want to stay lovingly connected/interdpendent with all beings, we will always run the risk of (through Love's necessary 'vulnerability') being hurt either physically, emotionally, etc. Some things just can't be 'interpreted' or contextualized out of. But we sure can lessen the damage, not let it ruin us, and BEST OF ALL -we can even work with the Divine Recycler to turn the hurt into a gift that would otherwise not havebeen there :)

16 years ago @ FinerMinds - The Four Agreements by... · 2 replies · +1 points

I like it. I like you. And I like Playformation :) Alight, I'm offline for a while. Talk tomorrow probably. Ciao

16 years ago @ FinerMinds - The Four Agreements by... · 3 replies · +1 points

By the way, out of genuine curiosity, what about my point about how for me "doing my best" tends to lead to an enslavement that "it could always be better" -how do you personally avoid that trap while committed to excellence?

16 years ago @ FinerMinds - The Four Agreements by... · 2 replies · +1 points

Hmmm, I hear you Brian, I feel mixed though.

I too am increasingly uninterested in endlessly looping around in left-brain lala land or wasting time in 'debates' (which usually end up being around semantics). I'm also looking primarily for things I can apply to my life, and I'm grateful for this reminder to reserve my assumptions/judgments on others, to pause and reflect on what their deeper needs/issues are, to respond from my compassionate side and not my defensive "take it personally" side.

And yet...I have seen this kind of teaching taken to an extreme with my friends, and you & Vishen did invite this "IntenseDebate" tool as a place to have some debates/etc., so that's why I've taken the time to say what I've said :)

That said, I know that you and I are both busy cats, so in the future, if I get involved again, I'll try and focus more on:
-The points I was really enlightened/inspired by
-The points that have been really confirmed in my lived experience
-The points that don't resonate with my experience and that I think are important enough to voice to this community for our debate/etc.

Nothing personal!
Keep rocking it Brian,
-Leif

16 years ago @ FinerMinds - The Four Agreements by... · 3 replies · +1 points

A number of points here, but let me try and explain what I think is the key *potential* disagreement (very likely I am just hearing it wrong and thus am holding my 'assumption' loosely).

I think we are interdependent enough to be innately (despite what we do internally to protect ourselves) hurt by each other. Some examples.
1. A woman is raped.
2. A population of children starves to death, while another population of children complains about only receiving 50 Christmas presents.
3. A husband is cheated on by his wife who made an agreement/vow to remain sexually faithful to him.
4. A daughter is told she is worthless and unwanted by her father.

Each of these situations has potential for healing, potential for even good/transformation to arise from them, etc. Each of these situations can have hurt 'lessened' by understanding the needs/motives/history/hurts/etc. of the other person/people who were responsible.

However, something 'personal' was done to people. We all have free-will, to a certain degree, and thus are response-able for whether our actions are selfish or loving, compassionate or cruel, etc.

Does this make sense? And if so, how can I agree to "Not take things personally"?

16 years ago @ FinerMinds - The Four Agreements by... · 0 replies · +1 points

No problem Brian, but thanks for checking in with me :)

16 years ago @ FinerMinds - The Four Agreements by... · 2 replies · +1 points

Something happened with the video sync via youtube, but I really don't want to re-record all that I said, so ignore the video and listen to the audio :)

16 years ago @ FinerMinds - The Four Agreements by... · 4 replies · +1 points

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMU27KgsG4g

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