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14 years ago @ iamhealed.net - An outbreak of heresy ... · 2 replies · +1 points

Like I said, I've read quite a bit about Bentley. I don't have to have read every one of his books fully to know what he says. But throughout our conversation, I've allowed the possibility that I could be wrong. I'm still waiting for you to show me where!

14 years ago @ iamhealed.net - An outbreak of heresy ... · 2 replies · +1 points

Kathi, I told you at the very beginning that I am an outsider and that I am not directly involved with Bentley or your church. I also told you that some of my facts could be wrong, being that I have read instead of directly experienced all of these things. I've also shown a willingness to be corrected. I have asked you on a number of occasions to tell me where I am wrong.

Did Bentley not commit adultery? Did he not immediately remarry afterwards? Did he not restart his ministry shortly thereafter. If those are not facts, please tell me so.

I'll close by saying that Indirectly, my agenda IS the gospel. If a false preacher is out there preaching a false gospel, if corrupt leaders are gaining power within the church, then engaging in discussion with those who are being deceived is a good thing. I cannot see how you could disagree with that.

I refuse to buy Bentley's book. I will not contribute to his ministry because it preaches heresy (again, I refer to his spirit guide Emma) so I guess we're done.

Anyway, it was nice having a civil conversation with you.

14 years ago @ iamhealed.net - An outbreak of heresy ... · 0 replies · +1 points

That's a shame!

If they ain't preaching the Gospel (which doesn't have to be restricted to evangelism...nailing your sin habits to the cross IS the Gospel, forgiving your wife because Christ forgives you IS the Gospel, finding hope in Christ when sickness/bad circumstances/etc. are making life full of strife IS the Gospel) then I don't want to be there.

I can make a broad statement like that without having to confront every single person who doesn't preach the Gospel.

14 years ago @ iamhealed.net - An outbreak of heresy ... · 2 replies · +1 points

Regardless of the context, he's talking about a better way to proseletyze other than speaking the Gospel. He wants to give our words some "oomph" and reveal the power of God. He's saying the Gospel message is lacking without some kind of Spirit outpouring.

FYI - Haven't read the book. Found the quote online. I'm willing to be corrected if I'm wrong.

14 years ago @ iamhealed.net - An outbreak of heresy ... · 2 replies · +1 points

Kathi, you're assuming that I have a hidden agenda. I've been totally honest with you here, and I've told you that the only agenda I have is the gospel and sound doctrine. I have not lied anywhere. It is a fact that Todd committed adultery. It is a fact that he remarried as soon as his divorce was settled. It is a fact that he began his ministry again shortly thereafter. There are no lies being spread here. Instead, I (along with some others) are calling for more accountability. That's not spreading lies, that's called critiquing what's going on in the church.

This is called playing the Pharisee card. Whenever a critique is lodged against someone, they automatically cry out "heresy hunter" and claim that those of us who are doing the calling out are "pharisees". Where have I stumbled? Where have I sinned? Don't weep for me because I disagree with you.

14 years ago @ iamhealed.net - An outbreak of heresy ... · 0 replies · +2 points

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned" (Mark 16:15-16).

"For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of; for necessity is laid upon me; yea woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel." (1 Corinthians 9:16)

...I'm sure you know of the many others ;)

14 years ago @ iamhealed.net - An outbreak of heresy ... · 2 replies · +1 points

"We can preach the Gospel all day long, but that won't win souls. That won't win the hearts of the people. We can talk, try to theorize, theologize, reason, argue, debate, and spend time trying to prove that Jesus lived, but that won't win a heart." [Todd Bentley, Kingdom Rising: Making the Kingdom Real in Your Life, Destiny Image Publishers, Inc., October 2008, p. 67]

I'm sorry, but that right there says it all. We are commanded to boldly preach the Gospel. It is not PEOPLE that convinces unbelievers to have faith in Christ, it's the Spirit that regenerates their souls, and opens their eyes to the truth. We are just the vessels that communicate. This has been God's plan from the very beginning, but Todd is saying that's not good enough.

14 years ago @ iamhealed.net - An outbreak of heresy ... · 2 replies · +1 points

Ok, granted apologetics ministries may be the wrong way to describe them. How about watchdog ministries?

Furthermore, are you saying that if watchdogs attack other Christians for preaching false doctrine, then that makes those watchdogs unbiblical? I know of many a saved man and woman who fell into belief about something they shouldn't have been believing, only to have their eyes opened to the truth. Just because we're saved, doesn't mean we'll never fall into deceit! That's why Paul commands us to test the spirits! That doesn't apply to non-believers, because they don't believe the Gospel, therefore they have no standard to test against!!!

14 years ago @ iamhealed.net - An outbreak of heresy ... · 0 replies · +1 points

I swear I am not deliberately ignoring anything. Christ's death and resurrection, and the constant reminder that we once *were* separated by a great gap, is the gospel! That message should be preached, considered and revered daily! At no point do we become too advanced to be reminded that it is only by God's grace that we have been saved. There is no level we reach where we don't need to be reminded to enter into daily repentence and confession.

The point of the church is to equip the body, but you cannot do that without the Gospel. It's not just a "now I'm in the club so I don't need to hear it any more" sort of thing. The only way the sanctification process can be attained is through constant repentence and obedience, constant reflection on His word, and constant prayer and communication with our Savior. I cannot find any place in Scripture where spirit anointings somehow take the place of those things.

14 years ago @ iamhealed.net - An outbreak of heresy ... · 0 replies · +2 points

What does true repentance look like for Todd Bentley? I'll quote a great article from CharismaMag:

"If we truly love Todd Bentley, we will not clamor for his quick return to the pulpit. While we certainly want him to be fully restored to fellowship with God, we cannot rush the process of restoring a man to ministry. Leaders must live up to a higher standard. We must demand that those involved in Bentley's restoration not only love him but also love the church by protecting us from the kind of scandal we endured last year."

Read more: http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/fire-in-my-b...

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