en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/595129 Comments by FAAGuy http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1434#IDComment31602370 "I think the guys over at PTCAU know what I'm talking about. " I think it is curious that the example you use is a facility not covered by ATSAP. "and the controller or procedure in error should be corrected as necessary." What about somebody who makes a mistake? Do they need correcting? In a highly complex system such as ATC, human mistakes are bound to occur. It is our processes that are removed from the pilot/controller actions that create layers of safety to help prevent mistakes from turning into incidents/accidents. Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:46:26 +0000 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1434#IDComment31602370 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1434#IDComment31411176 "Research by CAMI has shown that people with less than five years FPL experience are at an increased statistical risk of having an error. We all know the massive amount of training and inexperience that the system now has staffing it. Another CAMI finding is that the most important determinant of OE rates is traffic by facility." Would you please give the cite for these conclusions? Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:29:07 +0000 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1434#IDComment31411176 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1434#IDComment31277851 "Have a deal and get recertified the next day, it has already happened to one of our newbie weak sticks in training........... sigh" Under ATSAP, if the ERC accepts your report, you cannot be decertified. The most you can get is skill enhancement training, and that is rare. Additionally, 75%+ of ATSAP reports are not related to an OE/OD/PE. They are safety concerns that range from procedural issues to controller mistakes that did not result in an incident. "I think, instead, that this is just another example of how the FAA came to be known as the “tombstone agency”." Although many can point to something that was changed as a result of a serious incident or accident (the tombstone agency), I think that the ATSAP program is more forward-thinking than that. The FAA is changing to a just culture model that mirrors not only other ATC providers in the world, but also other safety-related fields such as the nuclear power industry. A non-punitive reporting process is a vital component of that change. Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:02:32 +0000 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1434#IDComment31277851 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1371#IDComment27211274 When did it become "retarded" to convey history? Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:39:05 +0000 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1371#IDComment27211274 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1371#IDComment27114853 "I mean, you wouldn’t use a system that you knew had problems, would you?" When they brought the IBM 9020s on line, they would run for 20 minutes and crash. Then they'd run for 2 hours, then 2 days, etc. Every time the system crashed, it was a pain for the controllers. Many said that RDP was a piece of trash and we just needed to stick with shrimp boats and broadband. Over time, the core NAS program has been perfected to the point that it is extremely reliable, with few system failures, but it didn't get there overnight. Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:26:02 +0000 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1371#IDComment27114853 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1362#IDComment26312475 John, You included the following quote in your post: "FAA Is A Very Sick Agency Run By College Drop-Out Randy Babbitt" Do you attribute that quote to the CNN article or to someone else? Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:17:10 +0000 http://www.faafollies.com/?p=1362#IDComment26312475