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15 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Intolerant of Intolera... · 0 replies · +4 points

Not putting up with intolerance is not the same as bigotry. It is opposing harmful behavior. You might as well call someone intolerant for being against heroin use.

15 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Obama Says He \"Relies... · 0 replies · +1 points

Unfortunately the rule of law means shit all to the upper class. Yes a lot of things politicians do are in violation and even the supreme courts decisions are sometimes in direct violation but I don't see anything being done about it anytime soon.

15 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Same-Sex Marriage and ... · 0 replies · +1 points

"While I support the efforts of the GLBT community, I wonder to what degree it is, and will be, reciprocated. Will gays and lesbians kick nonbelievers to the curb some day when it is convenient?"

While I wouldn't want to believe it I do have to say that it is a strong possibility. There is a strong anti-gay sentiment in the American black community <a href="http://(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html)" target="_blank">(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/11/70-of-african-a.html) despite the fact that racism against blacks has been a giant problem in our nation's history and parallels the treatment of gays in some parts (think how similar the anti gay marriage ads are to the anti interracial marriage ads).

Now an argument could be made about how most of the oppression of gays coming from religious sources would make them less likely to throw atheists under the bus or be sympathetic to religious bigotry. But a large portion of anti black bigotry came from religious sources and yet they are still one of the most religious demographics in America.

It is a mistake to assume most gays are agnostic, atheist or otherwise non religious. More liberal churches are allowing women as priests, accepting gay rights and otherwise becoming more progressive and many gay people who were raised christian might find it hard to give it up. While this increase in tolerance may be thought of as a good thing it must be noted that, in my experience, even relatively progressive churches still view atheists with distrust. While a large portion of Christians view homosexuality as opposed to their teachings even more view atheism as not only antagonistic to certain rules but to their entire philosophy.

I think the best way to predict the gay community's future relationship with the atheist community is to look at the statistics of religiosity among gays (and bisexuals, transgenders, etc.) but that itself is difficult because those that would be both religious, especially fundamentalist, and gay would not likely be open about it or admit it in a poll. I think that there is a large population of closeted religious people that, once non-hetero sexuality becomes more accepted, will still be just as anti-atheist.

Cognitive dissonance is a truly powerful thing and many people wouldn't have a problem embracing the same religious hatred that not long ago would have been directed at them.

15 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Idiot of the Week: Jim... · 0 replies · +2 points

If you marry a goat I'm sure you'll have plenty of happy kids.

15 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Idiot of the Week: Jim... · 3 replies · +2 points

To be perfectly truthful I have no problem with any of those. Nothing wrong with polygamy (the not abusive religious kind) and horse/dog marrying would be funny.

15 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - H.Con.Res. 274 Threate... · 1 reply · +2 points

E Pluribus Unum is our motto. At least IT actually MEANS something. I know IGWT is our "official" motto thanks to the cowards quivering over the commies in 1956 but it's blatantly unconstitutional and its official status is therefore null and void as far as I'm concerned.

15 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - What is God? · 0 replies · +2 points

What is god?
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

15 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Which is More Offensive? · 1 reply · +3 points

I find, on an emotional level, that the first one is worse because it actually comes out and uses an ethnic slur instead of coding it. That kind of blatant racism is just appalling.
But I consider his second comment more offensive on a "damage caused" scale because more people would agree that discrimination based on religion is okay. Notice, for instance, the media coverage of Knotts racist statement and the utter lack of coverage for statements similar to his "lord and savior" remark.

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Taken to Task for Into... · 0 replies · +1 points

Sounds like she's the one trying to justify her intolerance.

16 years ago @ Atheist Revolution - Atheist's Lullaby · 0 replies · 0 points

I see it more as educating them; it's not like you're taking them to atheist church, telling them they'll go to atheist hell if they misbehave or punishing them for believing in a deity. It's just like telling them "there's no such thing as ghosts" or "there's no monster under your bed". Yes, it's most important that you instill them with critical thinking skills, and make it so later on they can analyse the data and come to their own conclusions, but at such an early age sometimes it's necessary to say "there is no monster up in the sky, waiting to hurt you, so stop worrying"