en-us https://www.intensedebate.com/users/811358 Comments by DaveError http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135022578 They come straight off ehealthme, a site where doctors, the FDA and the like post ANY suspect cases so that research can be done on them, it happens to be viewable on the net. This is so that doctors and researchers can cross reference and study to see if there is a correlation. it is NOT a result, it is suspection of the possibility, or reports on the drugs the person was on when things happen to them. This is BEFORE they find a correlation. This is EXACTLY the stuff I am talking about, you are making a claim that Aldara kills, I would like to see the evidence that it does that, rather than you reposting standard reports from doctors and the like over patient concerns over and over an over again. Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:43:06 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135022578 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135021375 Show us the evidence of your claim that Aldara kills, that DOES NOT MEAN, spamming the hell out of the discussion with the medical fields inquiry into drugs they do all the time. RESULTS or GTFO. Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:33:17 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135021375 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135021164 No I do not, I am saying you should not be giving medical advice. Look, I am not about to spend all my time with you simply avoiding what I am saying and rewording it. You are not qualified to give medical advice, promoting that people use this product without knowing who they are, what their condition is etc etc I would say the same thing about ANY group doing this. It's not about my belief against yours. I am not promoting medical advice on a product claiming it is safe to use, and something to use before going to a doctor. Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:31:49 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135021164 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135020737 Anyway, I am removing the comments, streams of reposting from ehealthme. People can search there for your 'evidence that Aldara kills' with the understanding the purpose of the site is to collate information that includes suspect. Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:28:18 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135020737 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135020511 You claimed that Aldara KILLS. You lied. Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:26:22 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135020511 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135020407 "All information is observation-only, and has not been supported by scientific studies or clinical trials unless otherwise stated. Different individuals may respond to medication in different ways." Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:25:29 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135020407 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135020343 Stop spamming stuff straight from ehealthme Nirvana. These are SUSPECT events, these are nothing more. This stuff happens with ALL drugs and the site you are spamming from collects this information for the purpose of further study. If you do not stop spamming you will be blocked. Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:25:01 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135020343 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135015071 bullshit, it was not forced underground, better treatments were found. The problem is you are promoting something as safe, when it is not. You are promoting that people use it in place of going to their doctor. Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:42:12 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135015071 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135014866 Where have I said that? Again you straw man what I am saying. I am holding you to account for your claims. I have pointed out that the medical industry has standards, you however don't seem to have any. Where is the evidence for your claims? Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:40:31 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135014866 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135014727 adverse side effects can be a headache is my point, listed as a known side affect. It may also be because something may be associated with the drug, but not necessarily. And no, my reaction would be the same, that you are pushing a product with no medical knowledge as safe, when there has shown to be side effects that can be disastrous. I have asked for evidence that Aldara kills as per your claims, can you please show it rather than jumping thru hoops because I question your claims, and trying to associate me as being one sided? I will question both sides, but in this case, it is you making unsubstantiated claims. Don't keep pointing the finger at others and telling me I should check them out first, they are 'worse'. Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:39:30 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment135014727 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134998971 Also, people reporting side affects is no biggy. There are known sideaffects to the drug. Also, sudden death whilst on Aldara does not mean Aldara was the cause. Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:38:24 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134998971 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134998503 Note 'possible'. This is why the medical field is so cool, all this stuff is looked into. 'Possible' goes against your claims in regard this stuff not being checked and rechecked. Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:35:01 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134998503 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134998304 You copied that from ehealthme, where anyone can post info. "All information is observation-only, and has not been supported by scientific studies or clinical trials unless otherwise stated. Different individuals may respond to medication in different ways." Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:33:36 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134998304 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134998221 And I don't blame the consumer, nor say they have a right to an opinion. more straw manning on your part. I just don't think your opinion has as much weight as the whole of the world wide medical field. I also think it is dangerous for you to put forward your information as being safe, and I am, as a CONSUMER, saying something about what I consider an unsafe practice, gov, medico or Nirvana alike Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:33:05 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134998221 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134997931 So it's ok for disfigurement, so long as it wasn't you? Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:31:01 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134997931 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134997757 You copied that from ehealthme, where anyone can post info. "All information is observation-only, and has not been supported by scientific studies or clinical trials unless otherwise stated. Different individuals may respond to medication in different ways." Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:29:59 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134997757 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134995330 What's your source? Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:14:00 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134995330 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134960542 Well Nirvana I have had friends die of cancer, had friends that have skin cancers, my partners mother was just treated etc etc, but that has nothing to do with being able to question the fact you are promoting a treatment show to be hazardous to people, only showing those that have not (yet?) suffered from the treatment they chose. You totally are straw manning my position in regard companies etc. I hold them as responsible as you with the information they hand out, the fact is, you are doing it with no watchdog, no other 'companies' or bodies looking for any way to pull the plug on you over false information, promoting a billion dollar unregulated industry of 'alt medicine'. You are part of a very large problem that gets people killed. You have the choice to do what you wish, it is another thing so sow indecision with a susceptible part of the populace over facts that can be dangerous to their health. You are a hypocrite knocking the medical field, turning people away from qualified medical advice, while doing the same thing yourself with no watchdog. Where is your evidence that Aldara kills as you claim? Tue, 15 Mar 2011 00:40:18 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134960542 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134934871 I would have taken conventional treatment that works for almost 100% of cases without scarring. I would not have done it myself, LEAST of all promote that others do it having no knowledge whatsoever over the efficacy of the treatment on others. I think it is highly unethical to promote something as a treatment for others when an understanding of their problem is impossible for me and I have no education in the medical field. Even doctors do not do over the internet proscriptions of treatments. If you want to get into a tit for tat about medicine having problems, consider the fact that medicine is highly monitored and studied. You people and your recommendations to others with NO KNOWLEDGE at all of their condition, based on personal annecdotes is not. You are worse than what you are railing against. Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:30:41 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment134934871 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment133468783 You TOTALLY miss the point don't you? It does not matter that something 'works' for someone. What black salve does is burn tissue, 'good' or 'bad'. The fact someone has burnt away tissue and it worked for them does not mean that it is better as a 'do it at home' solution to cancer. It does not make it better than other medically supervised solutions. You keep making that claim and all you provide are a few anecdotal references to a few people, and ignore the fact there is no evidence at all as to it's efficacy. There is clear evidence however over what it can and has done that you ignore. You are promoting that people use this at home, as medical advice. When I point this out, when I point out that you are pushing something that has been shown to be dangerous people say I am the evil one and associate me to 'big pharma' What total hypocrisy. Should I also now associate you to some religious thing? Will that make my argument stronger as you seem to think it does yours? Tue, 8 Mar 2011 23:50:15 +0000 http://www.uptheanti.org/2010/12/15/black-salve-quacks-australia/#IDComment133468783