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Michael James Stone - TheRaptureSeries: Jesus and His Church During the Tribulation -Lampert Dolphin

Michael James Stone — Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:55:41 +0000

FYI" Lambert i spelled correctly in article and misspelled in comment as you ARE well aware of.

Michael James Stone - TheRaptureSeries: Jesus and His Church During the Tribulation -Lampert Dolphin

Michael James Stone — Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:54:13 +0000

MacPherson I do recommend to people to see because as you list his claims next to his facts, you find issues with his "Spin". The point is whether a person can accept fact. The fact is an event occurs. The event is described. The "pro" and "con" people have both "stretched facts to fit. Like calling Missler a "Copyist" I too am one. I copy and Paster material and most of the time have the materials author on it. So too Missler when He uses materials, He tells you, Look it up. You can spin on either side, but with you can't Looey. I state the facts from both sides and prove both can be accurate because God is greater and if we stay "IN FACTS" than there is no debate. If God wants to Prepare you to REMAIN after an event where "Some" are taken and some are not, then He will Prepare you for that and it is likely you will not know till after the fact that a"snatching away" of "few" occured. AND THAT WILL BE OK if you are doing His Will and serving Him. As the Seven Letters show, NOT all will go, in fact you can ration a numerical equation of ALL Christianity like this: A= Total Number of Christians a /7/2 or All Christians divided by seven divided by two THAT number is the MOST you can expect to be MIA so to speak because God promised. As to the remaining...... and they well know, they will be martyred, or fall away.

LooeyNoorey - TheRaptureSeries: Jesus and His Church During the Tribulation -Lampert Dolphin

LooeyNoorey — Sun, 13 Feb 2011 18:10:01 +0000

Please see MacPherson's web piece "Deceiving and Being Deceived" (on Google) for a thorough demolishing of the claim for Pseudo-Ephraem. And also Google "Chuck Missler - Copyist." (PS - Did you mean "Lambert" Dolphin instead of "Lampert"?)

Michael James Stone - TheRaptureSeries: Jesus and His Church During the Tribulation -Lampert Dolphin

Michael James Stone — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:28:12 +0000

BUT, as to Lampert Dolphin, He's paid his dues and is often black and blue but he does his homework and is a good read.

Michael James Stone - TheRaptureSeries: Jesus and His Church During the Tribulation -Lampert Dolphin

Michael James Stone — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 07:26:19 +0000

I am not sure if you were posting Pro or Con, but as to Camping, his facts have been dis-proven here on this site as well as in Archaeology that presented this piece of documentation to refute Camping and a claim of "recent rapture". Ooops I thought I knew exactly where, but it is found on Chuck Missler site, and details the account of 378 AD and a very clear reference to Saints looking for deliverance before the Great Tribulation. Frankly, at some point in time with Google around, it seems to me to be impossible to hold to Camping as anything but a guy who needs prayer, finances, and a job. When People are ONLY about tearing down and not building up and have NO gospel message or declared relationship WITH Jesus, I SERIOUSLY don't take them as an expert in the field of religion.

LooeyNoorey - TheRaptureSeries: Jesus and His Church During the Tribulation -Lampert Dolphin

LooeyNoorey — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 05:02:25 +0000

Stamping Out Harold Camping Is Second Coming date-setter Harold Camping worthy of death? He already has a zero batting average after his September 1994 prediction fizzle and, according to the Bible, is a false prophet. Nevertheless that California shaman, who should be ashamed, claims he's found out that Christ's return will be on May 21, 2011 even though Matt. 24:36 says that no one knows the "day" or "hour" of it! A Google article ("Obama Fulfilling the Bible") points out that "Deut. 18:20-22 in the Old Testament requires the death penalty for false prophets." The same article reveals that "Christians are commanded to ask God to send severe judgment on persons who commit and support the worst forms of evil (see I Cor. 5 and note 'taken away')." Theologically radioactive Harold Camping and his ga-ga groupies (with their billboards featuring "May 21, 2011") should worry about being "stamped out" if many persons decide to follow the I Cor. 5 command. The above article concludes: "False prophets in the OT were stoned to death. Today they are just stoned!" PS - For many years Camping was not known as a pretrib rapture teacher. But now, for $ome my$teriou$ rea$on, he seeks support from those who believe in and teach an imminent, pretrib rapture which supposedly will occur SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE the traditional SECOND COMING to earth! For a behind-the-scenes, documented look at the 181-year-old pretrib rapture belief (which was never a part of any official theology or organized church before 1830!), Google "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty," "Pretrib Rapture Diehards" and "Pretrib Rapture - Hidden Facts." (saw the preceding item on the web)

lee - RevelationCommentary: Structure Pt 4

lee — Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:53:09 +0000

i knew we would go through the Trib

Michael James Stone - QuestionOfTheWeek: “What signs indicate that the end times are approaching?”

Michael James Stone — Tue, 11 Jan 2011 22:38:02 +0000

As you can see above Jeffrey, Alot of people are like you with 1947. The interesting thing is when did Jesus ride into Jerusalem and WHY that day? Why Pick a "decree" by a pagan? In regards to "physical signs" LOL Well, they too are pieces, but I can tell you, if you ONLY use some of the pieces, You'll only get some of the answer. Call it the law of return or in a better frame of mind, You might have Matthew 24 down but you left out the rest of the bible. Yes we are in the last generation, the "when" was as easy as reading the signs of the times, and no offense, Jews were reading the when since 1897. FOOD FOR THOUGHT: What was Happening in Christianity at exactly the same time in the world? What Major religious denominations were beginning? Was there a Out pouring of the Holy Spirit on Jews in 1897? Who was the fopunder of Chosen People Ministries? There is so much data to be mined for any Christian Scholar all I can say is God is perfect and his timing is too all the way up to the Heavens down the to the minutae. The more you learn, the more obvious it gets. Praise the Lord.

Jeffrey R. Camino - QuestionOfTheWeek: “What signs indicate that the end times are approaching?”

Jeffrey R. Camino — Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:39:15 +0000

I believe the end times clock starting ticking when Israel miraculously became a nation again in 1948. Then in 1967 Israel took back Jerusalem, creating the opportunity for the Temple to be rebuilt. Meanwhile, we have seen an astounding amount of technological achievements that will enable the Antichrist to power a one world government and banking system. We have also seen the gospel get preached to all the world (or, at least, we are VERY close)! Moreover, some interesting signs in the heavens appear to be happening. See http://learnbibleprophecy.blogspot.com/2011/01/bl... for details about that.

Michael James Stone - BibleProphecyBlog: Rapture 2011?

Michael James Stone — Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:16:35 +0000

I agree with you Mark. One of the reasons I post so little of the material from BIBLE PROPHECY BLOG is that a few short years it went from a source point of information, to a repository of authors who often do what you to be called "Flameing" Making incendiary remarks to provoke response. On another note though, I for one, have read ALL of Mr Campings writings. Those that are still on the Web and some of those that have been removed over the years. I don't have a problem with him telling people to get ready or to do anything to prepare for the date HE SET as long as it does not involve HIM or anyone associated with Him or His Ministry receiving money, funds or renumeration of any kind. If He does that, I have no issue with anyone setting dates. My question, as I DO in fact disagree, isn't hostile but one from a long line of people I have watched, written about, and posted their transition over time. WHAT IF WE ARE STILL HERE? I have had to sometimes encourage those who were so convinced of a certain date, they threw God out of their life with the date setter. AND I have had to sometimes help out the person who actually set the date and was so ashamed they fell inot despair when they were wrong. Can I ask you? What if nothing occurs in May or Dec of this year? Are you OK to survive that "crisis of faith" if it does not occur? Mark I can tell you, I have a blunt statement more so than my peers. I DO state we won't see our grandchildren grow old. I DO state we of the Jesus Generation will in fact see all fulfilled in this generation. I DO state that by anyone math or anyones scripture there is no way 2068 we can say we believe in Jesus Coming again if he hasn't absolutely come before then. I am oF THE OPINION that nothing will happen 2011, 2012, but from 2012 onward, things get real interesting and most if not all will occur before 2022. Camping and Numbers people are sometimes a "piece" of the answer, but Sir, when they don't put all the pieces into the puzzle and have some left over, I have to say they are wrong. When they present a picture where all the pieces "fit" then I know not only are they accurate, they are scriptural. No offense, Mr Camping left out ALOT of pieces. -Michael

Mark1Tex - BibleProphecyBlog: Rapture 2011?

Mark1Tex — Sat, 8 Jan 2011 13:13:25 +0000

I find it interesting that in your scoffing article of mockery, as you refer to people as "loons, fools, and flakes, that you present absolutely zero Biblical evidence to back your own ideas of foolery, that these people are wrong. Going along, a reader may quickly develop the idea the author is most likely atheist. Atheists are normally the ones who mud-sling name calling tactics in rants which clearly show anger and offense at gospel Truths. Indeed the only clue a reader may get that the article was written comes from the pen of someone who actually believes in a Creator, is the fact that the article was written under a so called "Bible Prophesy Blog", and under the guise of "The Prophetic Years." Very sad. The fact that the article offers no Biblical support and laces itself in anger, is a great indicator that the author either does not believe the Bible, is flat out wrong, has a personal vendetta, or deep inside intuitively senses these things are true yet unknowingly trembles inside, hoping it will all just go away. But it wont go away! Perhaps the anger is based in fear, as the author witnesses this "May 21 is Judgment Day message" accelerate to an alarming and worldwide level. Perhaps the fear is based in that the true message of the gospel is actually an offense to many (even to most self-professing Christians). Perhaps the fear is based on the fact that the author realizes that debunking proof from the Bible ALONE, is non-existent, and that gain-saying the Bible with the Bible is in fact impossible. Whatever the cause or reason, it quickly becomes evident that the author, in reality, is caught in an enigma of frustration, and that writing an article of angry rantings is seemingly the only way out. It indeed may SEEM to be the only way out. Yet the only TRUE way out is if God Himself opens the eyes of someone, if He so chooses to do. Indeed, God can open the eyes of the blindest of men, and we can only prayerfully go to His Word and on our bended knee cry mightily to Him, hoping it is HIS will to do so. May 21st is approaching with great speed, and ought to be cause great multitudes of men to fall on their face begging God to escape the things coming that day. May 21st IS Judgment Day!!! From a "loon", to the author and any of the authors' readers,,, May the LORD Richly Bless You... Mark

WDW - When the Holy Spirit is \"taken out of the way\",

WDW — Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:11:19 +0000

"He who does not know speaks, he who knows does not speak". "If a man's words are not better than his silence, than he should remain silent". "One should only speak when one has something to say". "when words are many, transgression is not lacking". Yes, we can all agree that there is more in Christ and that we should not be complacent and conform to spiritual limitations. Unfortunately most of christianity is choosing for "the status quo" that you described so well.

Michael James Stone - When the Holy Spirit is \"taken out of the way\",

Michael James Stone — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 23:09:06 +0000

I should add, I frankly don't "witness" to anyone. I tell everyone, whatever God tells you to do, that you should do. That fact of my education in the reality of god and the intervention of Himself in everyday life, leads me to write and I am wanting to, that some say is a "witness" but I see "my own" penmanship not as witnessing, but stating ONLY what I have seen, what I have heard, what I have handled myself, and what I know from conversation and relationship with the Almighty and his Son. God did not call me to witness, he has chosen me to live with him. What he does to those who might read, learn or apply anything I wrote is really his Department I leaven in His Spirits capable hands. I can only talk about the facts, and most of those are too miraculous for most, so often I am lessened to speak of simpler things that others could think of themselves. I "hope" they pursue more, then they will find me on the journey with them. Things like we have discussed, Rapture/Natzal/harpazo/Santched away even H's and V'. Are they not really simple mirrors revealing what and how a person is than the actual reality of what God said. As I said, when people want to know, they can ask God direct, He will say so. As to the rest? Kahlil Gibrahn once said a man only speaks when he has nothing to say. As a man of many more words than I want to speak, I agree with Him completely. (grin)

Michael James Stone - When the Holy Spirit is \"taken out of the way\",

Michael James Stone — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:55:24 +0000

I think, since Jesus said we could have so much more. We limit ourselves, and God does not. We 'choose' not to pursue more outside of our comfort zone and stay with in the "assurances" or "protections" of our created parameters. What if, as Jesus Said, we are, and we will, and we could now, pursue more of a dynamic in our personal relationship that sounds like asceticism, but lives like realism. What IF, God desires our fellowship on a level of intimacy that Jesus Had, Paul experienced, John recorded. Can we "really" draw closer to the "YAHWEH/Jehovah/YhVh". I say yes. The why not is our own issues we choose to cling to ourselves. My stipulation is not that Scriptural Reality of a God interposing himself as he did in Scripture to "certain" individuals is for a exclusive few, but that the Son of God desired and prayed for every man to have such a "knowledge" and dependency upon a God who could then be called living. Else why at times in Scripture say the "royal" we, and then the writer at times says I, unless there is more there than the individual and not a passe reference to associative commonality. What if, God in me is God in me and at times it is not me? (grin) Then I could say heresy 101 or would I say at one with God? Ignorance is our choice to not know, not that God won't tell us. The question is begged again though, "Do we really want to know/" or as Jesus said, Wisdom is justified of her children" Paul, john, even John the Baptist, were so willing to learn more and at greater cost in this life but ahhh what a life they discovered afterwards and knew it before they left the here and now. Shouldn't we do the same?

WDW - When the Holy Spirit is \"taken out of the way\",

WDW — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:30:59 +0000

Yeah, you are so right; Yahweh is not correct, even Iahveh would be interpretation, so what? i feel the anglisized version of the most likely name the most appealing one, but that's just personal. People can speculate about/on whatever they want; omniscience is not part of our equipment, is it? Everybody has issues wth God personally, for better or for worse. Experientals are outside of one's own experiences, if you want to put it that way. The practical preaching of teaching as performed by the Calvary Chapels pastors is instructive and edifying, though at certain points limited due to various doctrines. We can ask everything we want, still God won't answer it all during a lifetime. People talk directly to God and in order to witness they "try" to direct others. In general people, believers and non-believers alike, do not have a problem in the simplicity of being. Fluctuation is the problem we all have in this imperfect state. Yes, Yahweh is bigger than all of us.

Michael James Stone - When the Holy Spirit is \"taken out of the way\",

Michael James Stone — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:04:31 +0000

On YAH, YAHWEH, and the Spirit of God; You oughta luv my" Fact? God " chapbook and " Fact? Spirit of God". I just love the W it has so much............meaning. (smile)

Michael James Stone - When the Holy Spirit is \"taken out of the way\",

Michael James Stone — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 23:00:51 +0000

God never told us to speculate. He said ask. Most Christians has a problem with that because that statement itself confronts an issue people have with God. Does God Speak, or only inspire? In my relationship, which outside of experiencing it, would be called experiential, an outsider would say it is logical to say that it is regulated to the individual and responsive to others only in so far as they are "likeminded" or "of the same" "spirit" or experience. LOL. Makes for a lot of interpretations out there. But as I said, in my relationship with God, I ask, He Speaks. More than that is my own "idiosyncrasies" like me wanting to know "Why" others don't ask, or don't have a interactive relationship that Jesus Said would be ours for the "receiving" or development of. MOST Calvary Chapels are very pragmatic on the Study of the Word of God and though it is not really "teaching" but preaching a teaching, it is a great foundational learning process to develop with. Still, each person in Calvary Chapels are as different and varied as God has developed and worked through Human Beings in all of the time we have been created. Those "leaders" or "pastors" you mentioned I do know. From early days and to modern. The historical records of the "church" using Michael was an attempt to often keep more of the Scripture in mystery than in learning and if you examine those who do hold to that "tradition" you will find a history of Hierarchal Authority than Scriptural Study. What I like about my perspective on the event is that I am accurate to call it an event because irregardless of the time element of it, there are discrepancies from people who are absolutist in both posits that are in accurate on their "proofs" ans they are in their "assaults" on each others posit. That alone should tell an individual there most be more than either one is saying since neither can be conclusive on definitive scripture. But that is why I like God. He is bigger, greater, and usually when he tells me an answer to one of "Christendoms" big "contradictions" or "debates" HIS ANSWER seems to always cover both parties and more. And still have an answer that is not contrary to any part of what he has already written. Huh? Imagine that. If there were a "school of thought" or 'school of theology" that looked to see how there could be an answer that could answer all objections and still maintain integrity? As opposed to "being in" opposition. Sadly when most start on that path, they go either to Universalism or a type of exclusionary purtanism. (Smile) When I get may answers from God I don't fall into those pits, I just smile and run with it and let others presume what they want to about me. Still, I do wish more people would talk to God direct than direct what God said.

WDW - When the Holy Spirit is \"taken out of the way\",

WDW — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:15:38 +0000

Thank you MJS for the points of view, i find it always interesting to read your perspectives as you are open to the many sides and the variety of the subject(s). I do realise we all do some positioning on all topics with our imperfectness. From the logical perspective it is not likely to identify the restrainer, from what is available deductional, revelational & experiential, the most likely explanation would be that it is an angelical task to restrain. i must admit that i used to believe that it was Michael, but came to other conclusions after that. anyway i am open for better explanations. Also personally i rather refer to the Harvest instead of snatched away/rapture, there are more biblical anchors for that. I know that Calvary Chapels are not "focused" on the event (harvest) still it's freqently mentioned on the side in sermons of Chuck Smith, Bob Coy, Skip Heitzig a. o. Most churches focus on the study of the Word of God which does not prevent them to take along the traditional bagage rather than to be open to The Spirit of YAHWEH.

Michael James Stone - When the Holy Spirit is \"taken out of the way\",

Michael James Stone — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:38:08 +0000

Theology often confuses people. It sounds correct, but can be so much conjecture it loses it;s validity in detail over context. The author, I assume Gav in, used a common error. it is tempting from Church History and Pulpit Commentaries as well as his previous background to adopt the "angelic module: for the "restrainer". Mine is simple though you think I may have said Holy Spirit or implied, but since a third party error and fourth party insinuation is applicable, I would say this for definitve. He who restrains is HE who restrains. To identify who "he is" as an absolute is error prone. THE TEXT doesn't say Who He is. So I can see why in your perspective with a mind set of wanting to disprove the original Post would see and take umberance with it. I do to, though as i said, I do hold to a "snatching away" of "some" as Jesus stated in Revelation., by the sparing of some from the great Tribulation. Now those who want to hold to a NON event, do so out of obstinateness, not scripture because an "event" is described by God as hapenning. The fact that modern popularity calls it a rapture then adds to it is as wrong as the denial there of. As I stated, two points of view, and maybe a few more CAN all be correct. THAT is my posit. As for Gavin, His site and date of postings is a read on a person from a theological background and you can view a progression of thought in his posts. His background history and personal statements all indicate a person who is willing to learn. He has developed a lot of appreciation for some of the perspective Calvary Chapels teach which is not "focused" on the rapture, BUT The Study of the Word of God. As such I can see He will not go wrong but develop as God has lead Him. If you look at his background, and Michael focus, you can tell where he got the idea from. Now you mention my opinion though I dare say I haven;t proffered it, so if you want a personal opinion, I will give you one. # Heretical Opinion: "it is my personal opinion, not a scriptural stand, that while in Jesus there is neither Jew nor Gentile etc, as I stand for an event often described as the rapture, and can prove not "everyone goes" in it, my opinion is that Jews will remain. It is my contention that (as a personal opinion) we still have work to do. (grin) So much for my opinion. BTW well said on the aspects of the persons post. I will comment on his post late after I read it. I'll post it in a blog and link it to here for accurate context.

WDW - When the Holy Spirit is \"taken out of the way\",

WDW — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:24:58 +0000

Very well, it was obviously a misquote (v 2 instead of v 7) although "the troubled by spirit " (or in spirit) is clearly not possitive (v 2) because in the right spirit they would not have been troubled in the first place. But the conclusion concerning the mystery of lawlessness is an interpretation (an evil spirit), iniquity is descriptional and not part of the text above; it is rather satan's designing and scheming behind the scene. The article stands inbetween your opinion and mine. I don't agree with the Michael the restrainer aspect nor with the post-tribulation rapture tendencies and simplification of the End of the Age (as in video part 1), it does not mean the same in all the scriptures quoted. I know the Calvary Chapels believe in pre-tribulation-rapture, so you could be right that he could follow suit at a certain point.